100 TOP CHEATS "GCA"

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GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.

We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.

'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy



Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.


These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.


These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.


Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.


Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,

Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny



Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu



Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.


All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.

Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel

you
should be on this list please e mail me at ***@aol.com The
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]


All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***



As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to



cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.


Russ Georgiev
John Martino


www.pokermafia.com

[BoomHeadshot]

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years....but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would
you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

Newgca Oct 23 2002, 1:10 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:10:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 2002 1:10 am
Subject: GCA "Top 100" R
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GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.
We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.
'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy
Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.
These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.
Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.
Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,
Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny
Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu
Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.
All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.
Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel
you
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]
All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***
As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to
cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.
Russ Georgiev
John Martino
http://www.pokermafia.com/

_______________________________________________________________
* New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

[Irish Mike]

First, I don't give a shit about Russ G's ancient history "news flashes"
regarding crap that happened 30 years ago. Second, I think half of what
Russ G. says is lies and the other half ain't true. Third, any list of
modern day poker cheats that does not include "Men the Master" isn't worth
the paper it's written on.

Irish Mike

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years....but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would
you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

Newgca Oct 23 2002, 1:10 am show options
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:10:29 GMT
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Subject: GCA "Top 100" R
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GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.
We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.
'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy
Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.
These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.
Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.
Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,
Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny
Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu
Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.
All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.
Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel
you
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]
All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***
As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to
cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.
Russ Georgiev
John Martino
http://www.pokermafia.com/

_______________________________________________________________
* New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

[R***@aol.com]

Post by Irish Mike
First, I don't give a shit about Russ G's ancient history "news flashes"
regarding crap that happened 30 years ago. Second, I think half of what
Russ G. says is lies and the other half ain't true. Third, any list of
modern day poker cheats that does not include "Men the Master" isn't worth
the paper it's written on.

I said TOP 100

men isn't in the TOP 1000

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com

Post by Irish Mike
Irish Mike

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years....but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would
you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

Newgca Oct 23 2002, 1:10 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:10:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 2002 1:10 am
Subject: GCA "Top 100" R
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| Report Abuse
GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.
We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.
'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy
Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.
These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.
Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.
Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,
Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny
Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu
Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.
All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.
Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel
you
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]
All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***
As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to
cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.
Russ Georgiev
John Martino
http://www.pokermafia.com/

_______________________________________________________________
* New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

[R***@aol.com]

Post by Irish Mike
First, I don't give a shit about Russ G's ancient history "news flashes"
regarding crap that happened 30 years ago. Second, I think half of what
Russ G. says is lies and the other half ain't true. Third, any list of
modern day poker cheats that does not include "Men the Master" isn't worth
the paper it's written on.

I said TOP 100

men isn't in the TOP 1000

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com

Post by Irish Mike
Irish Mike

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years....but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would
you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

Newgca Oct 23 2002, 1:10 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:10:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 2002 1:10 am
Subject: GCA "Top 100" R
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original
| Report Abuse
GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.
We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.
'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy
Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.
These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.
Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.
Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,
Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny
Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu
Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.
All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.
Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel
you
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]
All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***
As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to
cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.
Russ Georgiev
John Martino
http://www.pokermafia.com/

_______________________________________________________________
* New Release: RecPoker.com v2.2 - http://www.recpoker.com

[Jack King]

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years....but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would
you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

Russ has no intention of playing Barry or any other top player. Barry
confirmed again yesterday he would play Russ in Tunica. He will be
there. There will be plenty of other action there. There is at least
half a dozen that have agreed to a match but no one has any intention
of chasing Russ across the country for a lousy $100K match that would
never happen anyway.

Russ is a blowhard. All talk.

He tells people to come watch him play online at intercourse poker.
Then he plays heads-up with himself and sends a few bucks from identity
A to identity "Aqua" or whatever it is. He is a joke.

Jack

[Susan]

Post by Jack King
Barry
confirmed again yesterday he would play Russ in Tunica.

I guess "Earl" told you that, right?

[Esko]

Susan, does russ have a leash? *Wait for it....*









Or does he let you roam around the rgp freely?

-Eskabor

[Susan]

I don't know, but I can ask?

You see "Esko", the big difference with some of us and you and Jack King and
"Earl" and countless others is that we post under our real names, lending
just a touch of credibility.

Plus, we've been around maybe just a little big longer than you in the poker
world and know maybe just a little bit more.

Susan

Post by Esko
Susan, does russ have a leash? *Wait for it....*
Or does he let you roam around the rgp freely?
-Eskabor

[Esko]

So if I posted my real name for you (which would be less known than the
name I use to play poker) that would make me more credible? How does
this change the fact you are stuck to russ like a freshly chewed piece
of gum on a persons shoe? They are anti-russ groupies too, and to be
honest, it's all very tiring, when can we give it up? I hope it all
really just esclates to the point where they go have an ol texas shoot
out in oregon, and I don't mean playing hold'em, would solve alot of
the senseless nonsense on this newsgroup.

-Eskabor

[Susan]

What I don't understand why you and others bother to read his posts AND
respond if you think he has nothing to offer???? Why not just killfile him
and let those of us who get something of value out of his posts read
them???? I had no clue about "boiler rooms" online until he told me. I
had no idea how to effectively EVERYTIME place in the money in sitngoes till
he told me. I knew most of the cheating stuff, but it was nice to see
someone admit to me.

Why don't you just killfile all of us?

Susan

Post by Esko
So if I posted my real name for you (which would be less known than the
name I use to play poker) that would make me more credible? How does
this change the fact you are stuck to russ like a freshly chewed piece
of gum on a persons shoe? They are anti-russ groupies too, and to be
honest, it's all very tiring, when can we give it up? I hope it all
really just esclates to the point where they go have an ol texas shoot
out in oregon, and I don't mean playing hold'em, would solve alot of
the senseless nonsense on this newsgroup.
-Eskabor

[Esko]

Quit putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything bad about russ
but this clique vs clique sidekick vs sidekick is stupid, and you
following him around like your his slave-pet, it's truely making me
sick. You place in the money everytime? LOL, come on now... please
stop.

-Eskabor

[Susan]

as soon as I wrote that I thought about it - no, not every time, but in the
money AT LEAST 90% of the time. Of course, not always first - a lot of
3rds.

and why are YOU following me and him around like a slave-pet? I enjoy
Russ's posts and post accordingly. You criticize. Why does it matter to
you what he or I post?

Neither Russ nor I post on 2+2 - at least I don't believe he does. Why not
go there?

Susan

Post by Esko
Quit putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything bad about russ
but this clique vs clique sidekick vs sidekick is stupid, and you
following him around like your his slave-pet, it's truely making me
sick. You place in the money everytime? LOL, come on now... please
stop.
-Eskabor

[Esko]

LOL, I only posted concerning once about you, your in the money at
least 90% of the time? Whats your ROI? I'd love to hear this claim.

[Susan]

don't believe me - I really don't care. I will continue to post however,
so better just get it out of the way and killfile me.

This is my amusement while I sit and play poker most all day long.

I seldom killfile people - only spammers, so I will continue to read your
posts but probably won't waste time answering.

Have good life,

Susan

Post by Esko
LOL, I only posted concerning once about you, your in the money at
least 90% of the time? Whats your ROI? I'd love to hear this claim.

[Esko]

Yeah, I wouldn't answer either after making such an outrageous claim as
"I place 90% of the time"... I asked for your ROI, im geniuenly
interested... well I was.. until you dodged the question.. leading me
to believe your what you are, full of shit, or full of russ, probably
both at the same time, messy russ? Who said I didn't believe you, just
said I'd love you hear you claim your ROI.

-Eskabor

[Peg Smith]

Post by Susan
and why are YOU following me and him around like a slave-pet? I enjoy
Russ's posts and post accordingly. You criticize. Why does it matter to
you what he or I post?

Oh, sure, get all logical and everything.

Peg

[thenutlow]

Post by Susan
as soon as I wrote that I thought about it - no, not every time, but in the
money AT LEAST 90% of the time. Of course, not always first - a lot of
3rds.

this must be the most ludicrous thing I ever heard. Even if you got AA
every single hand ever, you wouldn't cash 90% of the time.

Post by Susan
and why are YOU following me and him around like a slave-pet? I enjoy
Russ's posts and post accordingly. You criticize. Why does it matter to
you what he or I post?
Neither Russ nor I post on 2+2 - at least I don't believe he does. Why not
go there?
Susan

Post by Esko
Quit putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything bad about russ
but this clique vs clique sidekick vs sidekick is stupid, and you
following him around like your his slave-pet, it's truely making me
sick. You place in the money everytime? LOL, come on now... please
stop.
-Eskabor

"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"

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[Susan]

OK my last word on this. I played 7 today and placed 7 times. Am I
going to prove it to you? Hell no, NO ONE knows my screen names. I will
say when I sit down in some the players tease me and ask me not to play. My
ring game play is not nearly as successful - only marginal profit. That's
why I stick to sitngoes.

Come to think of it, maybe I should have stated ONE TABLE sit ngoes - maybe
thats where the disbelief comes in.

Read Russ's tips on sitngoes, and you too might be able to win some.

Post by thenutlow

Post by Susan
as soon as I wrote that I thought about it - no, not every time, but in the
money AT LEAST 90% of the time. Of course, not always first - a lot of
3rds.

this must be the most ludicrous thing I ever heard. Even if you got AA
every single hand ever, you wouldn't cash 90% of the time.

Post by Susan
and why are YOU following me and him around like a slave-pet? I enjoy
Russ's posts and post accordingly. You criticize. Why does it matter to
you what he or I post?
Neither Russ nor I post on 2+2 - at least I don't believe he does. Why not
go there?
Susan

Post by Esko
Quit putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything bad about russ
but this clique vs clique sidekick vs sidekick is stupid, and you
following him around like your his slave-pet, it's truely making me
sick. You place in the money everytime? LOL, come on now... please
stop.
-Eskabor

"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"
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[thenutlow]

Post by Susan
OK my last word on this. I played 7 today and placed 7 times. Am I
going to prove it to you? Hell no, NO ONE knows my screen names. I will
say when I sit down in some the players tease me and ask me not to play. My
ring game play is not nearly as successful - only marginal profit. That's
why I stick to sitngoes.
Come to think of it, maybe I should have stated ONE TABLE sit ngoes - maybe
thats where the disbelief comes in.
Read Russ's tips on sitngoes, and you too might be able to win some.

oh, I do just fine, thanks... and I dont even need to make outrageous
claims to prove it! I assumed one table sng's from the git go. You must be
the best sit and go player in the history of poker.. do you post on 2+2 as
gigabet?

Post by Susan

Post by thenutlow

Post by Susan
as soon as I wrote that I thought about it - no, not every time, but in the
money AT LEAST 90% of the time. Of course, not always first - a lot of
3rds.

this must be the most ludicrous thing I ever heard. Even if you got AA
every single hand ever, you wouldn't cash 90% of the time.

Post by Susan
and why are YOU following me and him around like a slave-pet? I enjoy
Russ's posts and post accordingly. You criticize. Why does it matter to
you what he or I post?
Neither Russ nor I post on 2+2 - at least I don't believe he does. Why not
go there?
Susan

Post by Esko
Quit putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything bad about russ
but this clique vs clique sidekick vs sidekick is stupid, and you
following him around like your his slave-pet, it's truely making me
sick. You place in the money everytime? LOL, come on now... please
stop.
-Eskabor

"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"

"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"

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[Susan]

I just went back and checked for the last month - right at 91%. I didn't
realize this was going to be such an outrageous claim when I made it, but
apparently it is. My SO is right at 77% - but he does better at ring games
than I do.

9 handed game, 3 places paid it would seem logical that a monkey would win
33% of the time? So when playing with experience against newbees, waiting
for them to bust each other out it just seems too easy.

I don't have a fancy life style, but it more than pays the bills.

Susan

and I post only on RGP as my real name because with my limited understanding
of the internet you can't be traced. 2+2 and other forums I use different
names, but gigabet is not one of them. Find all the flawed logic you want
in this, because I am totally puter stupid.

Post by thenutlow

Post by Susan
OK my last word on this. I played 7 today and placed 7 times. Am I
going to prove it to you? Hell no, NO ONE knows my screen names. I will
say when I sit down in some the players tease me and ask me not to play.
My
ring game play is not nearly as successful - only marginal profit.
That's
why I stick to sitngoes.
Come to think of it, maybe I should have stated ONE TABLE sit ngoes - maybe
thats where the disbelief comes in.
Read Russ's tips on sitngoes, and you too might be able to win some.

oh, I do just fine, thanks... and I dont even need to make outrageous
claims to prove it! I assumed one table sng's from the git go. You must be
the best sit and go player in the history of poker.. do you post on 2+2 as
gigabet?

Post by Susan

Post by thenutlow

Post by Susan
as soon as I wrote that I thought about it - no, not every time, but
in
the
money AT LEAST 90% of the time. Of course, not always first - a lot of
3rds.

this must be the most ludicrous thing I ever heard. Even if you got AA
every single hand ever, you wouldn't cash 90% of the time.

Post by Susan
and why are YOU following me and him around like a slave-pet? I enjoy
Russ's posts and post accordingly. You criticize. Why does it matter to
you what he or I post?
Neither Russ nor I post on 2+2 - at least I don't believe he does.
Why
not
go there?
Susan

Post by Esko
Quit putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything bad about russ
but this clique vs clique sidekick vs sidekick is stupid, and you
following him around like your his slave-pet, it's truely making me
sick. You place in the money everytime? LOL, come on now... please
stop.
-Eskabor

"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"

"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"
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Post by Susan
I just went back and checked for the last month - right at 91%. I didn't
realize this was going to be such an outrageous claim when I made it, but
apparently it is. My SO is right at 77% - but he does better at ring games
than I do.
9 handed game, 3 places paid it would seem logical that a monkey would win
33% of the time? So when playing with experience against newbees, waiting
for them to bust each other out it just seems too easy.

Let me see if I can decipher this bullshit. You finish in the money
in sitngoes 91% of the time? What does SO mean? You win 33% of the
time. Now I know for a FACT you are Russ. Except that you lie much
better. God couldn't do this good.

[Esko]

Susan, does russ have a leash? Or doe he just let you roam free among
the rgp?

-Eskabor

[Jack King]

Post by Susan

Post by Jack King
Barry
confirmed again yesterday he would play Russ in Tunica.

I guess "Earl" told you that, right?

No Susan, I actually spoke with Barry, he said, "I will be in Tunica.
If he is there with money, we should be able to negotiate a game. I
can't guarantee a victory as he has, and I won't kill myself if I
lose."

That's an exact quote. Notice how someone who's actually willing to
play cannot guarantee a win or be so cocky as to say they would kill
themselves if they lose as your hero has said. If course, if you know
for sure there will never be a match . . . well, let's just say
it's easier to make boasts.

If Russ knew as much about poker as he claims he would know that in any
heads up match, even if the world's best player played against a
beginner it is not impossible for the beginner to win. Yet Russ has
claimed on many occasions he will play anybody and he is
"guaranteed" to win. Only someone who knows he will never play a
match and be proven wrong could make that guarantee. I know we will
never prove Russ wrong because he will never play a match against a
world-class poker player. I guarantee you that. Not because there are
no players who'll play but because there is no Russ who will play.

I have to say Susan, I know you are not really Russ as some people
think but I really cannot understand your infatuation with this
blowhard buffoon. I compliment you on your misplaced loyalty; you are
always the first and one of the few to always jump to his defense. You
may be very naïve but you are a faithful friend. I'm sure he
appreciates you.

Jack

[R***@aol.com]

Post by Jack King

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years....but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would
you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

Russ has no intention of playing Barry or any other top player.

I don't?


Barry

Post by Jack King
confirmed again yesterday he would play Russ in Tunica.

Where?

He will be

Post by Jack King
there. There will be plenty of other action there. There is at least
half a dozen that have agreed to a match but no one has any intention
of chasing Russ across the country for a lousy $100K match that would
never happen anyway.
Russ is a blowhard. All talk.

Can they only play in Tunica?

How about a neutral site? How about London or Australia? Or don't you
think these places are 'honest enough' for you guys to play?

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com

Post by Jack King
He tells people to come watch him play online at intercourse poker.
Then he plays heads-up with himself and sends a few bucks from identity
A to identity "Aqua" or whatever it is. He is a joke.
Jack

[R***@aol.com]

now, i believe a lot of the things you have to say on this forum, and have
learned a lot in terms of strategy from your articles and postings over the
years...

.but.... if you are really trying to get a match with Barry, why would

you continue to make incendiary posts like this? this certainly won't make it
easier for you i would imagine.

First, he isn't going to play me, because he can't win. Second, he is a
cheat. Ask me if I care?

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com

Newgca Oct 23 2002, 1:10 am show options
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Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:10:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 2002 1:10 am
Subject: GCA "Top 100" R
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GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.
We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.
'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy
Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.
These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.
Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.
Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,
Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny
Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu
Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.
All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.
Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel
you
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]
All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***
As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to
cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.
Russ Georgiev
John Martino
http://www.pokermafia.com/

_______________________________________________________________
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[Pops]

First, he [Barry Greenstein] isn't going to play me, because he can't win. Second, he is a
cheat. Ask me if I care?
Russ Georgiev

Barry Greenstein is NOT a cheat.

Why don't you tell people where you live so they can sue you for
slander. But then they wouldn't win anything, so I guess it isn't
worth their time.

Barry Greenstein DOES NOT CHEAT.

Russ the cocksucker does though.

[JG]

Post by R***@aol.com
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to HONEST POKER".

You forgot one minor detail, Russ. It's called 'proof'.

BTW, I am still chuckling over the fact that you think an online
"player" who chats must be a real person. How gullible can one guy be?

JG

[R***@aol.com]

Post by JG

Post by R***@aol.com
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to HONEST POKER".

You forgot one minor detail, Russ. It's called 'proof'.

Proof? LIke when John Gotti went on trial the first two times? How
about Meyer Lansky? Took a 'snitch' to get Gotti convicted, a known
killer. Guess there wasn't enough proof the first two times, so he was
nicknamed the 'TEFLON DON'? Or when I went on trial for my 'only two
times', guess there wasn't enough proof.? How about Michael Jackson or
the tape on Rodney King?

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com

Post by JG
BTW, I am still chuckling over the fact that you think an online
"player" who chats must be a real person. How gullible can one guy be?
JG

[Fearless Freap]

I trust you have sold proof before calling these people cheats on a public
message board?

Newgca Oct 23 2002, 1:10 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Date: 23 Oct 2002 08:10:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Oct 23 2002 1:10 am
Subject: GCA "Top 100" R
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original
| Report Abuse
GCA will start with the list of people who have done the "most damage
to
honest poker". The "top twenty people, now twenty one" on the list are
not necessarily
in
the order.
We are now adding Barry Greenstein to this list, making it 21.
'Doyle Brunson' 'Chip Reese' 'Eric Drache'
'Benny Binion' 'Jack Binion' 'Bobby Baldwin' 'Jack
McCelland'
'Jim Albrecht' 'Doug Dalton' 'Amarillo 'Slim' Preston'
'Jerry
Stenerud' 'George Hardie' 'George Weber' 'Johnny Moss'
'Johnny
Chan' 'Donna Harris' 'Archie Karas' 'Marty Riposo' 'Jimmy
Shahady' 'Steve Koenig'.
These people make GCA's list of "people who have done the most damage
to
HONEST POKER". As you can tell by this list, most of the people
mentionen are
in "management".
The ones having the power to let the cheats do
their work. The spelling of some of the names may be incorrect.
These people provided the "cheats" with a sanctuary where they could
slaughter "honest players" at their leisure. They were also in on the
rewards.
Below is another list of the cheats and their accomplices.
Pat Callaghan, Perry Green, David Sklansky, Bob Stupak, Sailor Roberts,
Fred
Gasparian, Jimmy Shahady, Jack Zwarner, Cowboy Wolford, David Hayden,
Rod
Pardey, Blackie Blackburn, Rod Peate, Jim Delaney, Steve Ino, Mike
Murray,
Russ Georgiev, John Martino, Bill Nirdlinger, David Gray, Howard
Lederer,
Dick Brisbine, Jack Keller, Andy Sacino, Bill Orman, Maury Cohen, Bob
Pfister, Bob Matsavara, Fred Perin, Rick Reola, George Arneridge, Danny
Valiant, Toothpick Vic, Marty Carson, Ray Carson, Ray Zee, Ray Murray,
Mitch
Ely, Hank Roman, Tommy Hufnagle, Joey Hawthorne, Tac Ishi, Richard
Meek. Tom
Foley, Steve Bushland, Larry Berry, George Urshich, Jack Perkins,
"Shoeshine"Nick Simpson, Mike O'Connor, Lou Olejack, Danny Robison, Stu
Unger, Gary Young, Bill Boyd, Fred "Sarge" Ferris, Jack Straus, Ted
Forrest,
Yosh Nakano, Bob Veltry, Puggy Pearson and Mac Fisher.
All the people we have mentioned have been or still are involved with
cheating or the allowing of cheating. Many people have been left off
this
list. They will be included in later lists. We can't remember everyone.
Feel
free to send me reminders[like Bill Orman]. If you are a cheat and feel
you
tournament
cheaters list is still to be written. Though many of these people have
cheated and aided cheating in tournaments. Incredible cheating in
tournaments, to show how easy it really is. The current California
cheating
list also hasn't been written. You won't like this one.[some of you
will
however]
All these people "ARE GUILTY" of cheating or allowing and condoning
cheating. As you see, some of the "heads of the poker rooms" are
involved.
Some owners. Many people in management. What would you expect in a
cover-up
however. Always a place for everyone. Even for Russ Georgiev. F*** T***
As you can see, without RGP it would be next to impossible to expose
this.
All media is "casino biased or sponsored". They have the money for
their
own promotion. Just attack a casino in an issue and 10 of their
"hench-writers" come to their aid. The casinos can't afford this to be
exposed. Imagine that whenever someone wants or gets the opportunity to
cheat for "big money", management is there to accommodate them. Scary
but
true. We know this list does not contain 100 people. We know it will
contain
more.
Russ Georgiev
John Martino
http://www.pokermafia.com/

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[pokorplayer5]

Hi, Russ i have played and dealt in the L.A. area for over 15 years. I
have noticed that Yosh Nakano, a player on the list has always played in
the big games. Can you please tell me his story , and how he cheated
Thank you.

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[Irish Mike]

Don't know this Yosh Nakano. What I do know is that Russ will never provide
anything except hot air and 30 year old stories.

Irish Mike

Post by pokorplayer5
Hi, Russ i have played and dealt in the L.A. area for over 15 years. I
have noticed that Yosh Nakano, a player on the list has always played in
the big games. Can you please tell me his story , and how he cheated
Thank you.
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Post by Irish Mike
Don't know this Yosh Nakano. What I do know is that Russ will never provide
anything except hot air and 30 year old stories.
Irish Mike

Post by pokorplayer5
Hi, Russ i have played and dealt in the L.A. area for over 15 years. I
have noticed that Yosh Nakano, a player on the list has always played in
the big games. Can you please tell me his story , and how he cheated
Thank you.

Yosh and Russ started the poker careers in Washington about the same
time. I don't know for sure if they were friends but they probably
were or at least knew each other.

Yosh went on to be a moderately successful medium to high limit player
and has also managed rooms in LA off and on. Russ went on to be the RGP
buffoon. Hence the animosity, jealousy, and accusations.

Jack

[R***@aol.com]

Post by Jack King

Post by Irish Mike
Don't know this Yosh Nakano. What I do know is that Russ will never provide
anything except hot air and 30 year old stories.
Irish Mike

Post by pokorplayer5
Hi, Russ i have played and dealt in the L.A. area for over 15 years. I
have noticed that Yosh Nakano, a player on the list has always played in
the big games. Can you please tell me his story , and how he cheated
Thank you.

Yosh and Russ started the poker careers in Washington about the same
time. I don't know for sure if they were friends but they probably
were or at least knew each other.

Bullshit again. I started at least 10 years before Yosh. He also came
from a very rich family. I came from a family I gave and loaned money
to.

Yosh came to Los Angeles, just after the LA Times scandal broke. Got
lucky and won for a while. Was cheated and then joined the boys. I've
played Yosh about a dozen times, he's never won. He basically the guy
who organizes the games and used to date Marsha Waggoner, who's very
good friends with Phylis Caro. This will all be in POKERMAFIA, the
book, coming sooner than you think.

Yosh is one of these players that has an extremely wealthy family. I
belive they're in the fish business in some manner. It's very easy to
appear to be a winner in high stakes when you can get money whenever
you need it, in bulk quantities

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com

Post by Jack King
Yosh went on to be a moderately successful medium to high limit player
and has also managed rooms in LA off and on. Russ went on to be the RGP
buffoon. Hence the animosity, jealousy, and accusations.
Jack

[Jack King]

Post by R***@aol.com
Bullshit again. I started at least 10 years before Yosh.

If that's true then how did he become more successful than you and much
sooner? Cheating? But you cheat too. All I know is he's still in action
and you are a railbird.

[RazzO]

He must have sold the proof. If Russ keeps this up (especially with this
'class-action slander') he will need to buy it back. ;)

Friggen typos, don't ya just hate'm?

Post by Fearless Freap
I trust you have sold proof before calling these people cheats on a public
message board?

RazzO
http://www.razzo.com
email:***@yahoo.com
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