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Deportations of migrants rise to more than 142,000 under Biden (NYTimes)
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VegasJerry
2023-12-30 00:38:39 UTC
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The New York Times

Deportations of migrants rise to more than 142,000 under Biden

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported more than 142,000 immigrants in fiscal year 2023, nearly double the number from the year before, as the Biden administration ramped up enforcement to stem illegal border crossings, according to the agency’s annual report, published Friday.

Nearly 18,000 of those deported were parents and children traveling as family units, surpassing the 14,400 removed under the Trump administration in fiscal 2020.

Federal officials said the removals adhered to the Biden administration’s enforcement strategy, which the Supreme Court upheld in June. Migrants who cross the border illegally and those who commit violent crimes or otherwise pose a safety threat are priorities for removal. The ICE report covered the period from Oct. 1, 2022, to Sept. 30.

The increase in deportations is more a reflection of the high numbers of migrants arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border than interior enforcement, which Biden has discouraged in most cases.

“ICE continues to disrupt transnational criminal organizations, remove threats to national security and public safety, uphold the integrity of U.S. immigration laws, and collaborate with colleagues across government and law enforcement in pursuit of our mission to keep U.S. communities safe,” said ICE Deputy Director Patrick J. Lechleitner in a statement.

Just 2,500 of the 72,000 non-criminals deported from the United States in fiscal 2023 were in the interior of the country, where dozens of sanctuary cities and towns have passed ordinances seeking to limit ICE from detaining migrants. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said in 2021 that being undocumented should not be the sole basis for removing someone from the country.

President Biden took office promising to create a more humane immigration system, and he attempted to pause deportations temporarily in the hope that Congress would create a path to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

But that hope faded amid fierce resistance from Republicans and public disapproval of the record number of border apprehensions, which surpassed 2 million for the first time in 2022 and did so again in fiscal 2023.

The Biden administration nonetheless has sharply reduced interior enforcement, halting workplace immigration raids and sparing most undocumented immigrants from being deported. Officials also stopped detaining families in ICE-run facilities.

But officials have also warned migrants against hiring smugglers to take them on a dangerous journey north to the U.S.-Mexico border and have said people who breach the border would face penalties. Officials have reinstituted removals to countries such as Venezuela and have publicized deportations as a signal to migrants that the government will enforce immigration laws.

Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors immigration enforcement, said the increase in deportations remains a tiny share of those arriving at the southern border.

The 18,000 family units deported last year is far fewer than the 621,000 parents and children taken into custody at the border during the same period. Most were released to await a court date, she said.

ICE’s workload has swelled under Biden. The number of migrants on the deportation docket has risen from 2.6 million in fiscal 2018 to about 6.2 million last fiscal year. The agency has approximately 6,000 immigration officers.

All told, officials deported 142,580 immigrants to about 180 countries last fiscal year, including more than 44,000 from the interior and more than 98,000 from the border, the report said. Another 60,000 people were expelled under a Trump-era policy that ended in May.

In the previous fiscal year, officials deported more than 72,000 immigrants.

Vaughan criticized the Biden administration for allowing in migrants from all over the world without a clear path to stay permanently. She said the administration could have referred migrants to refugee programs or deported them to better control the border.

“Basically Biden suspended enforcement of immigration laws for all intents and purposes except against the most serious criminals,” she said. “That’s why we’ve seen such an explosion in illegal migration. People know that if they make it to the border they’re going to be allowed in.”

The Biden administration has said poverty and political insecurity is fueling the highest levels of worldwide migration since World War II. In the Western Hemisphere, officials say, migrants are escaping authoritarian governments, violence and poverty, hoping to start a new life in the United States.

Advocates for immigrants have said past policies that forced migrants into dangerous cities in Mexico were inhumane and have urged Congress to update immigration laws to help address the issue. Business leaders and nonprofits have pointed out that the United States is in desperate need of workers, with an estimated 10 million unfilled jobs.

Silky Shah, executive director of Detention Watch Network, a national coalition that opposes detaining migrants, expressed concern about the increase in removals and credited local advocacy for tamping down deportations from the interior of the United States.

“A lot of that is the movement saying we don’t want ICE to target community members,” she said.

She said advocates were dismayed that Biden has backpedaled on his campaign promise to end private detention, which remains the mainstay of the more than 100 detention facilities nationwide.

“It’s very unfortunate,” she said.

ICE, which turned 20 this year, has more than 20,000 employees and a yearly budget of more than $8 billion. The agency enforces civil immigration laws and also investigates crimes, such as drug trafficking and human smuggling.
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Irish Ranger
2023-12-30 05:08:54 UTC
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On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry

So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.

How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?

Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.

Irish Mike
Tim Norfolk
2023-12-30 18:34:25 UTC
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Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
Irish Ranger
2023-12-30 18:44:51 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.

I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.

Irish Mike
VegasJerry
2023-12-30 22:59:26 UTC
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Post by Irish Ranger
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
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Post by Irish Ranger
No, not even close.
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*** Then you should have no trouble showing us ***

(Fucking Stolen Valor Lying Irish Mick has YET to EVER show ANYTHING)
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He is SO fucking easy.................
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Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
Post by Irish Ranger
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
Irish Ranger
2023-12-31 01:47:09 UTC
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So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.

How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?

Come on Gas Bag, we're s till waiting.

Irish Mike
VegasJerry
2023-12-31 15:59:04 UTC
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So Gas Bag ...
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**** KNEW YOU COULDN'T ANSWER ****

**** KNEW YOU'D RUN ****

And time just handed you your ass..

*** WHA! HA-HA! ***

You keep watching Fox News even after Rupert Murdoch stated IN A COURT DOCUMENT:

"Fox News lies to it's viewers."

And you keep eating the shit they feed you.

*** LOL! ***
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(Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're s till waiting.
Stupid Irish Mick
Tim Norfolk
2023-12-30 23:31:06 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
da pickle
2023-12-31 14:24:34 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.

You have ruined this newsgroup.
VegasJerry
2023-12-31 16:08:54 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ...
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Typical of you to dodge and lie. (Show where I posted links without reading).
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Biden went to Congress and requested an immigration rule change to require those seeking asylum
to prove they tried for asylum in each country they came through. (Showing they weren't just trying
for America).

REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT.

Biden has repeatedly sent plain loads of immigrants back to their country of origin.
AND YOU NEVER KNEW IT, because you get your DISinformation from lying right-
wing news like QAnon, FOX, Breitbart News, OANN, Facebook, Twitter or Newsmax.

It how we're able to make fools of you and Stupid Irish Mick.

The good part is, YOU NEVER LEARN TO LOSE...
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and claim that shows something other than how
Post by da pickle
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
da pickle
2023-12-31 16:42:34 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ...
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Typical of you to dodge and lie. (Show where I posted links without reading).
I replied to Tim, Jerry ... please actually read that to which you are
replying. Tim's charts show the immigration statistics for Obama were
dramatic and not so bad on Trump but getting bad again under Biden, but
they stopped in 2022. The current situation is a whole new ball game
and Tim (and you) do not what to even consider the real information.
Post by VegasJerry
Biden went to Congress and requested an immigration rule change to require those seeking asylum
to prove they tried for asylum in each country they came through. (Showing they weren't just trying
for America).
REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT.
Biden has repeatedly sent plain loads of immigrants back to their country of origin.
AND YOU NEVER KNEW IT, because you get your DISinformation from lying right-
wing news like QAnon, FOX, Breitbart News, OANN, Facebook, Twitter or Newsmax.
It how we're able to make fools of you and Stupid Irish Mick.
The good part is, YOU NEVER LEARN TO LOSE...
Tim's data was not from any of those sources. You do not post your
sources so no one can check you out. Sorry.

And your cutting is really sloppy ... why leave this leftover?

and claim that shows something other than how
Post by VegasJerry
Post by da pickle
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
You too ruin this newsgroup, Jerry. Why?
VegasJerry
2023-12-31 20:36:15 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ...
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Typical of you to dodge and lie. (Show where I posted links without reading).
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I replied to Tim, Jerry ... please actually read that to which you are replying.
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You referred to me and lied. So I asked:

“Show where I posted links without reading.”

**** KNEW YOU COULDN’T ANSWER ***
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So YOU “please actually read that to which you are replying.”
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Tim's charts show the immigration statistics for Obama were
dramatic and not so bad on Trump but getting bad again under Biden, but
they stopped in 2022. The current situation is a whole new ball game
and Tim (and you) do not what to even consider the real information.
.
Post by VegasJerry
Biden went to Congress and requested an immigration rule change to require those seeking asylum
to prove they tried for asylum in each country they came through. (Showing they weren't just trying
for America).
REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT.
Biden has repeatedly sent plain loads of immigrants back to their country of origin.
AND YOU NEVER KNEW IT, because you get your DISinformation from lying right-
wing news like QAnon, FOX, Breitbart News, OANN, Facebook, Twitter or Newsmax.
It how we're able to make fools of you and Stupid Irish Mick.
The good part is, YOU NEVER LEARN TO LOSE...
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Tim's data was not from any of those sources.
I didn’t say it was. But, again, *** KNEW YOU’D DODGE ***
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You do not post your sources so no one can check you out. Sorry.
I don’t have to; YOU do when you make false accusations about me.
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And your cutting is really sloppy ... why leave this leftover?
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Because I did no “cutting.” WTF’s the matter with you. “Leftover?”
That’s what I DIDN’T cut.
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and claim that shows something other than how
Post by VegasJerry
Post by da pickle
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
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WHA! HA~Ha!

You making false accusations, then running from them “ruined” your name.
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You too ruin this newsgroup, Jerry. Why?
See?
da pickle
2024-01-01 00:03:20 UTC
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On 12/31/2023 2:36 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

Nothing at all.
VegasJerry
2024-01-01 15:28:13 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Nothing at all.
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Heh.
Knew you couldn't answer...
Knew you couldn't show...
Knew you'd dodge...
Knew you'd respond, just to show what a loser you are...
da pickle
2024-01-01 16:01:52 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Post by da pickle
Nothing at all.
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Heh.
Knew you couldn't answer...
Knew you couldn't show...
Knew you'd dodge...
Knew you'd respond, just to show what a loser you are...
No problem at all with the border, Jerry?

No records being broken?

Where are those gotaways now?

No problems left to solve?

Are you voting for Biden?

Did you try coin flipping just one time to see if you ever got ahead one
net flip?

Did you drop a line to Paul to see how he was feeling?

Are you happy he is alive and well and having fun?

Happy New Year. Jerry.
VegasJerry
2024-01-01 18:45:18 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Post by VegasJerry
Post by da pickle
Nothing at all.
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Heh.
Knew you couldn't answer...
Knew you couldn't show...
Knew you'd dodge...
Knew you'd respond, just to show what a loser you are...
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Post by da pickle
No problem at all with the border, Jerry?
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*** LOL! ***
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Post by da pickle
Post by VegasJerry
Knew you couldn't answer...
Knew you couldn't show...
Knew you'd dodge...
Knew you'd respond, just to show what a loser you are...
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Are you that starved for attention that you’ll continue to embarrass yourself like this?

Are you so lonesome that the only way someone will pay attention to you is to prostitute
and prostrate yourself like this for attention? Embarrass yourself for ANY attention?

"Hello? Please? Somebody pay attention to me? Hello?"
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Poor In A Pickle. Seeking attention of any kind. Sorry lonesome, I’m busy.......

LOL!
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Post by da pickle
No records being broken?
Where are those gotaways now?
No problems left to solve?
Are you voting for Biden?
Did you try coin flipping just one time to see if you ever got ahead one
net flip?
Did you drop a line to Paul to see how he was feeling?
Are you happy he is alive and well and having fun?
Happy New Year. Jerry.
Tim Norfolk
2023-12-31 17:39:01 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
da pickle
2023-12-31 19:58:54 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.

Your data:

Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops

I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
Tim Norfolk
2023-12-31 20:59:32 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
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Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
I found my link from the other day:

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
da pickle
2024-01-01 00:03:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above

"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
links that I posted yesterday:
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"

I quoted your link

From link on your new information:

"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."

Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
Tim Norfolk
2024-01-01 20:16:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?

I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
da pickle
2024-01-01 23:02:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.

You think there is no stopping this ... you may be correct ... Biden may
continue the latest explosion and be reelected to make it even more
exciting.

Think such might stir things up even more than what is happening now?
VegasJerry
2024-01-02 15:51:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
,
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this
.

Sure there is, but Republicans are blocking it. Biden tried getting a rule through Congress that
Asylum seekers must prove they tried getting asylum in each country they went through so as
to prove they weren’t just heading to the United States.

*** Republicans blocked it ***

Beden and the Democrats have again asked Republicans to renegoiagte immigration policies.

*** Republicans refuse ***
... you may be correct ... Biden may continue the latest explosion…
.

No, he’s not, and I can show you keep going to Fox, or OAN or Bretbart for Newsmax for your
misinformation:

Pickel; tell us the number of flights, in the last month, Biden has sent back to countries of origin,
loaded with Illegals. If you get withing 5, you get an award. (But we know you have no clue that
it was even happening.
.

(Still learning to lose, huh?)
da pickle
2024-01-02 17:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by VegasJerry
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
,
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this
.
Sure there is, but Republicans are blocking it. Biden tried getting a rule through Congress that
Asylum seekers must prove they tried getting asylum in each country they went through so as
to prove they weren’t just heading to the United States.
*** Republicans blocked it ***
Beden and the Democrats have again asked Republicans to renegoiagte immigration policies.
*** Republicans refuse ***
... you may be correct ... Biden may continue the latest explosion…
.
No, he’s not, and I can show you keep going to Fox, or OAN or Bretbart for Newsmax for your
Pickel; tell us the number of flights, in the last month, Biden has sent back to countries of origin,
loaded with Illegals. If you get withing 5, you get an award. (But we know you have no clue that
it was even happening.
.
(Still learning to lose, huh?)
You, like others, always post stuff with no backup at all.

You rant ... but always the same poof and no proof.

Tim tries to post proof, but sometimes it proves the opposite of what
was intended. At least he tries.

Sometimes, Tim is correct and his correctness is thanked.

You, Jerry, seldom have anything new to contribute.

Instead of preaching about returns, why not comment on net increases of
admissions.

"Flights" ... what is you measure of flights?

Try not to be just confused ... be clear.

[BTW, your punctuation is getting worse and worse.]
VegasJerry
2024-01-03 01:03:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by da pickle
Post by VegasJerry
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by da pickle
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Tim Norfolk
Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
,
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this
.
Sure there is, but Republicans are blocking it. Biden tried getting a rule through Congress that
Asylum seekers must prove they tried getting asylum in each country they went through so as
to prove they weren’t just heading to the United States.
*** Republicans blocked it ***
Beden and the Democrats have again asked Republicans to renegoiagte immigration policies.
*** Republicans refuse ***
... you may be correct ... Biden may continue the latest explosion…
.
No, he’s not, and I can show you keep going to Fox, or OAN or Bretbart for Newsmax for your
Pickel; tell us the number of flights, in the last month, Biden has sent back to countries of origin,
loaded with Illegals. If you get withing 5, you get an award. (But we know you have no clue that
it was even happening.
.
Post by da pickle
You, like others, always post stuff with no backup at all.
.
*** KNEW YOU DIDN’T KNOW IT EVER HAPPENED ***
.
Post by da pickle
Post by VegasJerry
“I can show you keep going to Fox, or OAN or Bretbart for Newsmax for your
misinformation:”
.

THAT is why you didn’t know.
.
.
Post by da pickle
Post by VegasJerry
(Still learning to lose, huh?)
Heh. We’ll take your non answer as a “YES.”
.
.
.
.
.
Post by da pickle
You rant ... but always the same poof and no proof.
.

That WAS proof. YOU DIDN’T KNOW!
Now READ THIS AND WEEP. (Showing you’re learning to lose)

http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp
.

LOL!
Post by da pickle
Tim tries to post proof, but sometimes it proves the opposite of what
was intended. At least he tries.
http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp
Post by da pickle
Sometimes, Tim is correct and his correctness is thanked.
You, Jerry, seldom have anything new to contribute.
http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp
Post by da pickle
Instead of preaching about returns, why not comment on net increases of admissions.
.

*** HOW ABOUT ANSWERING ***
.
.
Post by da pickle
"Flights" ... what is you measure of flights?
http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp
Post by da pickle
Try not to be just confused ... be clear.
http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp

Is that clear enough for you? “Or am I being too obtuse?”
.
.


LOL!

(I just LOVE embarrassing this fool…..)
VegasJerry
2024-01-03 01:13:20 UTC
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Biden Administration is Resuming Deportation Flights for Venezuelan Migrants as Arrivals Grow

MEXICO CITY (AP) — The Biden administration will resume deporting Venezuelan migrants, the largest single group encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border last month, back to their economically troubled country as their arrivals continue to grow.

https://news.wttw.com/2023/10/05/biden-administration-resuming-deportation-flights-venezuelan-migrants-arrivals-grow
___________________________

Biden admin again flying migrants who cross border in one place to another place before expelling them

Advocates say migrants on the flights often think they're being
allowed to stay in the U.S., only to be expelled into an unfamiliar
part of Mexico.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-admin-again-flying-migrants-who-cross-border-one-place-n1271211
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US resumes deportation flights to Venezuela with more than 100 migrants on board (APNewa)

MAIQUETIA, Venezuela (AP) — Deportation flights of Venezuelans from the U.S. resumed Wednesday with a first plane of more than a hundred migrants landing back in their economically troubled country under the Biden administration’s latest attempts to deal with swelling numbers of asylum-seekers.

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-migrants-deportation-texas-biden-immigration-1115aa224f1fa79fb88bd991a8ed705a
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More “Educating Pickel” on request.
da pickle
2024-01-03 14:49:14 UTC
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Biden Administration is Resuming Deportation Flights for Venezuelan Migrants as Arrivals Grow
MEXICO CITY (AP) — The Biden administration will resume deporting Venezuelan migrants, the largest single group encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border last month, back to their economically troubled country as their arrivals continue to grow.
https://news.wttw.com/2023/10/05/biden-administration-resuming-deportation-flights-venezuelan-migrants-arrivals-grow
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Biden admin again flying migrants who cross border in one place to another place before expelling them
Advocates say migrants on the flights often think they're being
allowed to stay in the U.S., only to be expelled into an unfamiliar
part of Mexico.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-admin-again-flying-migrants-who-cross-border-one-place-n1271211
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US resumes deportation flights to Venezuela with more than 100 migrants on board (APNewa)
MAIQUETIA, Venezuela (AP) — Deportation flights of Venezuelans from the U.S. resumed Wednesday with a first plane of more than a hundred migrants landing back in their economically troubled country under the Biden administration’s latest attempts to deal with swelling numbers of asylum-seekers.
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-migrants-deportation-texas-biden-immigration-1115aa224f1fa79fb88bd991a8ed705a
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More “Educating Pickel” on request.
Each 100 gone reduces the 100s of thousands coming in.

Thanks for the update.

But you still do not answer simple questions about the "net" in vs the
total out.
da pickle
2024-01-03 14:52:58 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/5n8pkadp
Is that clear enough for you? “Or am I being too obtuse?”
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LOL!
(I just LOVE embarrassing this fool…..)
You do not even look at your own "evidence".

Tim has better evidence than you.
Tim Norfolk
2024-01-04 01:13:21 UTC
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Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links that I posted yesterday: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
You should actually look at the charts that you post ... Obama years
were over the top all the way through his years in office ... Trump
years started out flat but did have a small spike and then left Biden
with not must more to deal with than Trump inherited from Obama ... then
Biden starts out just like Obama leaping forward but your chosen site
stops in 2022 ... typical of Tim and Jerry to just post a link and not
even read it ... and claim that shows something other than how
disingenuous they both are.
You have ruined this newsgroup.
Considering that I was replying to someone to claimed 8 million illegals coming in in the past couple of years, I made my case.
Since you citation did not include up to date data, it might or not be
your best selection. Also, you said Biden was about like Trump ...
might want to reconsider ... even not including up to date data, Biden
is more Obama than Trump.
Obama up 2.3 million in last 3 yrs of 1st term
Obama up 3.6 million in 2nd term
Trump up 1.5 million in his 4 years
Biden up 1.7 million in his first 13 months ... your data source stops
I do not know how much has happened in the last "couple of years" but
there is a "flood" underway at present and it needs to be stopped.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
Your link is right up there in your post above
"It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey"
I quoted your link
"In the first seven months of FY 2023 alone, apprehensions have already
exceeded 1.4 million and are easily on pace to match the previous years’
grim records. Hundreds of thousands of these individuals were released
into the country to await an adjudication on what are often fraudulent
asylum claims. Additionally, over a million gotaways completely evaded
border inspection and law enforcement.[14] As can clearly be seen from a
visualization of apprehensions, the Biden administration’s levels are
consistently at an extremely high level that exceeds all previous
administrations."
Maybe the 80 million is incorrect ... but the claim that Biden is just
like Trump (and running from Obama's numbers) is just like other useless
folks on this newsgroup.
I think that we would notice 80 million, don't you?
I never said that they were the same. However, the long-term trends appear fairly linear. There will be no stopping this, as long as people in South and Central America believe that the USA is the Land of Opportunity.
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this ... you may be correct ... Biden may
continue the latest explosion and be reelected to make it even more
exciting.
Think such might stir things up even more than what is happening now?
We have no idea what the trend is, except upwards.

However, look at the first graph in https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update

From 2017 to 2023, you can fit a very good straight line via least squares.
da pickle
2024-01-04 13:56:37 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this ... you may be correct ... Biden may
continue the latest explosion and be reelected to make it even more
exciting.
Think such might stir things up even more than what is happening now?
We have no idea what the trend is, except upwards.
However, look at the first graph in https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
From 2017 to 2023, you can fit a very good straight line via least squares.
Unfortunately, there is little up to date data available.
"Apprehensions" is indeed interesting but that is not helpful in seeing
how many are actually in the USA and who those are.

The data available is not very good. Illegal vs legal is not very
available in any useful form. It seems like about 20% of the total
population is the floating number ... always climbing. The current
flood is a big problem in making any numbers understandable.
VegasJerry
2024-01-04 16:40:02 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
What does it look like before Obama? Trump helped a little. The "long
term" trends do NOT seem "linear" in any way shape or form.
You think there is no stopping this ... you may be correct ... Biden may
continue the latest explosion and be reelected to make it even more
exciting.
Think such might stir things up even more than what is happening now?
We have no idea what the trend is, except upwards.
However, look at the first graph in https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update
From 2017 to 2023, you can fit a very good straight line via least squares.
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Post by da pickle
Unfortunately, there is little up to date data available.
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Yea, actually there is, and you can’t show that their isn’t.
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Post by da pickle
"Apprehensions" is indeed interesting but that is not helpful in seeing
how many are actually in the USA and who those are.
.

Yea, actually that is, too.
Post by da pickle
The data available is not very good.
Yea, actually it is, and you can’t show that it’s not.
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Post by da pickle
Illegal vs legal is not very available in any useful form.
Yes, it is. And you playing Fox Republican and just out and out lying, doesn’t change it.
Post by da pickle
It seems like about 20% of the total population is the floating number ... always climbing.
Then you should have no trouble show us. But, as usual, you’ve got caught lying and
You would show or link or prove a thing. You’ll just dodge and run.
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Post by da pickle
The current flood is a big problem in making any numbers understandable.
See? Now run away again…

(You are SO fucking easy….)
Mossingen
2024-01-05 16:17:55 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump
administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links
that I posted yesterday:
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey


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But, it's still a problem right?
Tim Norfolk
2024-01-05 18:09:07 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump
administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
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But, it's still a problem right?
It's not really clear. Look at what happened in Florida, when deSantis told them to get out, and they did.
da pickle
2024-01-05 20:45:11 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the
Trump > administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
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But, it's still a problem right?
I think it is a problem. The whole country seems to be more interested
in division than compromise and just getting along. All "sides" seem to
be unable to just get to the important stuff and let the edges go to the
individual states or cities or towns or neighborhoods or off the grid
somewhere.

We all need not have to do one thing and only one thing so help us GOD.
Tim Norfolk
2024-01-05 21:10:42 UTC
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On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 12:08:58 AM UTC-5, Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the
Trump > administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
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But, it's still a problem right?
I think it is a problem. The whole country seems to be more interested
in division than compromise and just getting along. All "sides" seem to
be unable to just get to the important stuff and let the edges go to the
individual states or cities or towns or neighborhoods or off the grid
somewhere.
We all need not have to do one thing and only one thing so help us GOD.
I would like most to agree that we are a country, which includes treating all people decently. Like that's going to happen here.
VegasJerry
2024-01-06 00:37:48 UTC
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Post by Tim Norfolk
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying, quit dodging, quit hiding
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Irish Mike
As I showed you yesterday, it's about the same number as under the Trump
administration.
No, not even close. Trump demanded, and got, the "remain in Mexico"
agreement with Mexican President Andres Obrador. The illegals trying
to pass through Mexico were held in Mexico. On Biden's first day
in office he ended the "remain in Mexico" agreement and the flood of illegals
began pouring into America. Since Biden has been President
he has let more than 8 million illegals flood into America.
I know it, you know it, and the American people know it.
Irish Mike
It's called actual data. Try it some time. This might help, with the links
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
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But, it's still a problem right?
.

Yea, because: "The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an American anti-immigration think tank."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

But you still watch Fox News, right? Even after Rupert Murdoch admitted:
"Fox News lies to its viewers"*

* Rupert Murdoch statement in his Dominion Deposition.

VegasJerry
2023-12-30 22:56:00 UTC
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Post by Irish Ranger
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry
So Gas Bag (Jerky in Vegas) quit lying...
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If I'm "lying" you should have no trouble showing that. (R)
(And we ALL *** Knew you couldn't show ***)

*** LOL! ***
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Post by Irish Ranger
and answer just one question honestly.
How many millions of illegal aliens have entered America illegally
since Joe Biden took office?
Come on Gas Bag, we're waiting.
Lying Irish Mick
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