WinHoldemSupport
2004-06-04 19:34:40 UTC
here are the facts about winholdem:
there are 4 subscription levels:
you can read about them here:
http://www.winholdem.net/wh_pricing.php
you can read our full license agreement here:
http://www.winholdem.net/license_agreement.html
here are the approximate customer percentages for each edition:
basic - 13%
speed - 3%
pro - 76%
team - 8%
the online poker casinos do not want you to use winholdem
(regardless of what subscription you license)
because they genuinely understand how effective it is.
paradisepoker will suspend your account if they detect any edition of
winholdem. so far there has not been a reported instance of paradise
stealing an account balance. there are people leaving paradise to play
elsewhere due to the privacy concerns. the winpp product allows you to
play on paradise undetected but you must have two computers to do so. you
can read the details of winpp here:
http://www.winholdem.net/antidetect.html; winpp is free.
partypoker will close itself in two hands if it sees the text 'winholdem'
in the title bar of any window on your desktop (this includes a browser or
email). the latest version of winholdem addresses this issue.
pokerstars seems to be taking a somewhat neutral approach. their software
vendor made some early mods to the client to attempt to avoid the
winholdem screen scraper but the current winholdem release addresses this.
winholdem is a programmable pokerbot. it plays only as well as the
formula set being used. there are some very crappy formula sets floating
around and there are some very strong formula sets out there. winholdem
is actually a pokerbot-bot ... or a bots bot. winholdem is just a tool
that allows anybody to build their own pokerbot. technically speaking if
adam develops a formula set for $20 NL tourney holdem and betty develops a
formula set for $1/$2 limit ring games ... they actually have two entirely
different bots because the formula sets are fine tuned for that specific
game in question.
if you want to build your own winholdem formula set, you will need an
understanding of holdem or the aptitude to learn holdem, and you will need
some logic skill specifically with C style programming expressions. we
have customers that are brand new to holdem and have never programmed a
computer in their lives; they bought themselves a C primer and they are
building their own formula set for the pure pleasure of it.
we have several retired COBOL programmers who love winholdem ... one of
them said that he always wanted to learn how to play holdem and he
regretted never learning C and that winholdem was the excuse he needed to
do both simultaneously.
everybody is entitled to a free 24-hour look at winholdem. if you are a
modem user and do not have a NIC with a unique macaddress, then you must
send an email requesting the trial version.
to date, in over 3 months of online sales we have encountered only one
single chargeback; and this was from a person who was trying to harm our
company by getting a public chargeback campaign started. many of our
users started with the basic or speed edition; eventually they upgraded to
the pro edition once they understood that we are very serious about the
pokerbot business.
we have, in certain cases extended the trial version for customers who
were interrupted with other events and were unable to use winholdem in the
first 24 hours after install.
it is not possible to license winholdem without first ensuring that it
runs safely and solidly on your sytem as intended. we believe this is the
best way to operate a download software business;
the winholdem team edition has caused controversy due to the
auto-card-sharing analysis features. the facts are that you do gain some
advantage by knowing the cards of another friend at the table. winholdem
has the ability to dynamically incorporate all card knowledge into the
realtime analysis; such knowledge can turn a good hand into the dead nuts
under the right circumstances; however, this does not happen nearly as
often as is generally believed.
most of the opc's have implemented analysis tools to detect potjacking and
cardsharing (which is something that team players do). the opc's take a
very dim view of card-sharing and team play and if you are caught you can
probably expect the worse (closed account all funds taken). this is a
fact we have never once tried to hide. you can read our license agreement
for proof of this (see link above).
you would think this would deter all card-sharing and team-play; we can
assure you it does not; players do not need winholdem to team-play in a
game of online holdem; they can use chat,voip,phone,etc. so in this
regard winholdem does not provide anything that does not already exist ...
except for dynamic card analysis (we assume that no human alive can
quickly calculate the correct odds for 3 known holdem hands with flop
xyz). this is the real value provided by the winholdem team edtion.
based on the distribution of sales we are seeing, we believe that more
than 10% of the online holdem population is engaged in card-sharing. this
would indicate that nearly half of all 10 chair tables have a two player
team present (independent of whether or not they use winholdem as their
sharing mechanism).
the default formula set for the winholdem team edition does not
auto-potjack. the default formula set is such that if two winholdem bots
are seated and sharing at the same table the resulting edge in the card
sharing knowledge will not register on the opc analysis radar. it will
look as if the two chairs are perfectly normal.
we believe that you place yourself at risk if you pot jack.
in conclusion we would like to say that there are some liars here on rgp
that continue to post falsehoods about our product. they either
misrepresent what winholdem is or lie about it altogether.
as always we will post retractions for any of the statements above it
anyone can demonstrate an error.
do well and win big,
winholdem management
http://www.pokerbot.com
_________________________________________________________________
Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
there are 4 subscription levels:
you can read about them here:
http://www.winholdem.net/wh_pricing.php
you can read our full license agreement here:
http://www.winholdem.net/license_agreement.html
here are the approximate customer percentages for each edition:
basic - 13%
speed - 3%
pro - 76%
team - 8%
the online poker casinos do not want you to use winholdem
(regardless of what subscription you license)
because they genuinely understand how effective it is.
paradisepoker will suspend your account if they detect any edition of
winholdem. so far there has not been a reported instance of paradise
stealing an account balance. there are people leaving paradise to play
elsewhere due to the privacy concerns. the winpp product allows you to
play on paradise undetected but you must have two computers to do so. you
can read the details of winpp here:
http://www.winholdem.net/antidetect.html; winpp is free.
partypoker will close itself in two hands if it sees the text 'winholdem'
in the title bar of any window on your desktop (this includes a browser or
email). the latest version of winholdem addresses this issue.
pokerstars seems to be taking a somewhat neutral approach. their software
vendor made some early mods to the client to attempt to avoid the
winholdem screen scraper but the current winholdem release addresses this.
winholdem is a programmable pokerbot. it plays only as well as the
formula set being used. there are some very crappy formula sets floating
around and there are some very strong formula sets out there. winholdem
is actually a pokerbot-bot ... or a bots bot. winholdem is just a tool
that allows anybody to build their own pokerbot. technically speaking if
adam develops a formula set for $20 NL tourney holdem and betty develops a
formula set for $1/$2 limit ring games ... they actually have two entirely
different bots because the formula sets are fine tuned for that specific
game in question.
if you want to build your own winholdem formula set, you will need an
understanding of holdem or the aptitude to learn holdem, and you will need
some logic skill specifically with C style programming expressions. we
have customers that are brand new to holdem and have never programmed a
computer in their lives; they bought themselves a C primer and they are
building their own formula set for the pure pleasure of it.
we have several retired COBOL programmers who love winholdem ... one of
them said that he always wanted to learn how to play holdem and he
regretted never learning C and that winholdem was the excuse he needed to
do both simultaneously.
everybody is entitled to a free 24-hour look at winholdem. if you are a
modem user and do not have a NIC with a unique macaddress, then you must
send an email requesting the trial version.
to date, in over 3 months of online sales we have encountered only one
single chargeback; and this was from a person who was trying to harm our
company by getting a public chargeback campaign started. many of our
users started with the basic or speed edition; eventually they upgraded to
the pro edition once they understood that we are very serious about the
pokerbot business.
we have, in certain cases extended the trial version for customers who
were interrupted with other events and were unable to use winholdem in the
first 24 hours after install.
it is not possible to license winholdem without first ensuring that it
runs safely and solidly on your sytem as intended. we believe this is the
best way to operate a download software business;
the winholdem team edition has caused controversy due to the
auto-card-sharing analysis features. the facts are that you do gain some
advantage by knowing the cards of another friend at the table. winholdem
has the ability to dynamically incorporate all card knowledge into the
realtime analysis; such knowledge can turn a good hand into the dead nuts
under the right circumstances; however, this does not happen nearly as
often as is generally believed.
most of the opc's have implemented analysis tools to detect potjacking and
cardsharing (which is something that team players do). the opc's take a
very dim view of card-sharing and team play and if you are caught you can
probably expect the worse (closed account all funds taken). this is a
fact we have never once tried to hide. you can read our license agreement
for proof of this (see link above).
you would think this would deter all card-sharing and team-play; we can
assure you it does not; players do not need winholdem to team-play in a
game of online holdem; they can use chat,voip,phone,etc. so in this
regard winholdem does not provide anything that does not already exist ...
except for dynamic card analysis (we assume that no human alive can
quickly calculate the correct odds for 3 known holdem hands with flop
xyz). this is the real value provided by the winholdem team edtion.
based on the distribution of sales we are seeing, we believe that more
than 10% of the online holdem population is engaged in card-sharing. this
would indicate that nearly half of all 10 chair tables have a two player
team present (independent of whether or not they use winholdem as their
sharing mechanism).
the default formula set for the winholdem team edition does not
auto-potjack. the default formula set is such that if two winholdem bots
are seated and sharing at the same table the resulting edge in the card
sharing knowledge will not register on the opc analysis radar. it will
look as if the two chairs are perfectly normal.
we believe that you place yourself at risk if you pot jack.
in conclusion we would like to say that there are some liars here on rgp
that continue to post falsehoods about our product. they either
misrepresent what winholdem is or lie about it altogether.
as always we will post retractions for any of the statements above it
anyone can demonstrate an error.
do well and win big,
winholdem management
http://www.pokerbot.com
_________________________________________________________________
Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com