Discussion:
"Vegas Virgins," the TV Show
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Lou Krieger
2005-02-13 16:14:11 UTC
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I'm in Las Vegas working on a TV show called "Vegas Virgins," which is why
I've been largely absent from RGP the past few weeks but it's been more fun
than almost anything I've ever done.

Here's the show's concept in a nutshell: It's a poker-meets-reality-show in
which 10 people who have never played casino poker before -- five from the
USA and five from the UK -- are whisked away to Las Vegas for three weeks,
put up in a first class hotel and provided with poker coaching. That's my
job, and it will be on camera. A "success coach" in the person of Dr. Sally
St. John, has also been provided for the players, and it's her job to work
with each of them on life lessons while I concentrate on making credible
poker players out of absolute newbies.

Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid
food, walking on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street
Experience canopy -- sort of like "Survivor" or "Fear Factor," and it's no
surprise since the show's producers are veterans of those shows -- and task
performance determines the number of starting chips in each night's poker
game.

The winner of each evening's poker game selects one player to be tossed off
the show. In alternating fashion, they toss a Brit, then an American, until
just one player from each country remains. The two survivors will play and
the winner receives $5,000 to play poker against a few real "pros," each of
whom will be armed with fewer chips. The money discrepancy levels the
playing field and give the newbie a fair shot at winning.

I'm on camera for all shows giving poker lessons to the players and doing
the play-by-play commentary of each nightly tournament, which gives me some
opportunity to talk up my seven books, as well as the two online sites I'm
associated with: Royal Vegas Poker and the College Poker Championship.

I'm not sure about when the show will air in the USA, although it is set to
air in the UK in May or June. While we were filming, folks from the Casino
and Gaming TV Network were on hand, so they'll probably air the show, even
though that network has yet to make its debut. Vegas Virgins will be seen
in both the UK and USA through syndication, though I do not have any
specific dates; what I do know is that filming began the last week in
January and will run through February 15.

I realize the hard core cynics on RGP will probably trash the show as being
untrue to the real nature of poker, but I've never done anything like this
in my life and I'm loving every moment of it. Days are long; there are
poker lessons to be given, tasks to be performed (often at different
locations in and around Las Vegas -- we've been to the Rim of Fire, the Navy
Graveyard at Nelson, NV, an Elvis Wedding Chapel, Fremont Street) and the
riggings and shoots are quite time consuming. Often we begin in the morning
and don't finish until midnight. I think I've played poker only four times
since I've been here, although I did get a chance to have breakfast one day
with Jim Brier, Barry Tanenbaum, and Dr. Al Schoonmaker.

The nightly poker tournaments have been filmed onsite at the Orleans as well
as at Media Underground, a Las Vegas production facility with a controlled
environment, where a set has been rigged to model a poker game in a casino.

We began filming in late January and conclude February 15. The crew is a
mixture of Brits, Aussies, and Irish and a great group to work and hang out
with. When they hired me for the gig, I looked at it as a one-time
opportunity. But now with some light visible at the end of the tunnel, I'm
hoping the show is successful and they decide to bring it, and me, back for
a second season.

With John Harkness doing his thing on "Tilt," and me on "Vegas Virgins," can
episodic television be the next frontier for poker players? In this altered
state of poker perception and media feeding frenzy, anything can happen.
Quien sabe?
Dennis Altman
2005-02-13 16:29:13 UTC
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Let me be the first one frm RGP to congratulate you on this project.
Its nice to see a show that is not necessarily targeted at the
mainstream poker player. As my wife is a regular junkie of Celebrity
Poker, I think she will like this one a lot!!

Good luck and have a lot of fun finishing the project.
Thermos
2005-02-13 16:38:20 UTC
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I'm in Las Vegas working on a TV show called "Vegas Virgins," which is why I've been
largely absent from RGP the past few weeks but it's been more fun than almost anything
I've ever done.
Here's the show's concept in a nutshell: It's a poker-meets-reality-show in which 10
people who have never played casino poker before -- five from the USA and five from the
UK -- are whisked away to Las Vegas for three weeks, put up in a first class hotel and
provided with poker coaching. That's my job, and it will be on camera. A "success
coach" in the person of Dr. Sally St. John, has also been provided for the players, and
it's her job to work with each of them on life lessons while I concentrate on making
credible poker players out of absolute newbies.
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid food, walking
on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street Experience canopy -- sort of like
"Survivor" or "Fear Factor," and it's no surprise since the show's producers are
veterans of those shows -- and task performance determines the number of starting chips
in each night's poker game.
That sounds absolutely inane. You probably have a big hit on your hands.
CincinnatiKid
2005-02-13 17:02:34 UTC
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Post by Thermos
I'm in Las Vegas working on a TV show called "Vegas Virgins," which is why I've been
largely absent from RGP the past few weeks but it's been more fun than almost anything
I've ever done.
Here's the show's concept in a nutshell: It's a poker-meets-reality-show in which 10
people who have never played casino poker before -- five from the USA and five from the
UK -- are whisked away to Las Vegas for three weeks, put up in a first class hotel and
provided with poker coaching. That's my job, and it will be on camera. A "success
coach" in the person of Dr. Sally St. John, has also been provided for the players, and
it's her job to work with each of them on life lessons while I concentrate on making
credible poker players out of absolute newbies.
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid food, walking
on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street Experience canopy -- sort of like
"Survivor" or "Fear Factor," and it's no surprise since the show's producers are
veterans of those shows -- and task performance determines the number of starting chips
in each night's poker game.
That sounds absolutely inane. You probably have a big hit on your hands.
Not sure we'll get to see it in the USA. Sounds a little goofy.....

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Thermos
2005-02-13 17:35:11 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
I'm in Las Vegas working on a TV show called "Vegas Virgins," which is why
I've been
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
largely absent from RGP the past few weeks but it's been more fun than
almost anything
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
I've ever done.
Here's the show's concept in a nutshell: It's a poker-meets-reality-show
in which 10
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
people who have never played casino poker before -- five from the USA and
five from the
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
UK -- are whisked away to Las Vegas for three weeks, put up in a first
class hotel and
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
provided with poker coaching. That's my job, and it will be on camera. A
"success
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
coach" in the person of Dr. Sally St. John, has also been provided for the
players, and
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
it's her job to work with each of them on life lessons while I concentrate
on making
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
credible poker players out of absolute newbies.
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid
food, walking
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street Experience canopy
-- sort of like
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
"Survivor" or "Fear Factor," and it's no surprise since the show's
producers are
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
veterans of those shows -- and task performance determines the number of
starting chips
Post by Thermos
Post by Lou Krieger
in each night's poker game.
That sounds absolutely inane. You probably have a big hit on your hands.
Not sure we'll get to see it in the USA. Sounds a little goofy.....
Goofy sells, kid! This ain't goofy, enough! Add some midgets and a flamethrower and you
got somethin'!
Keith Willoughby
2005-02-13 17:11:38 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly
horrid food, walking on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont
Street Experience canopy -- sort of like "Survivor" or "Fear Factor,"
and it's no surprise since the show's producers are veterans of those
shows -- and task performance determines the number of starting chips
in each night's poker game.
It sounded like an interesting idea until you got to this bit. The poker
stuff sounds fine.
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Oh. Dog and a beer.
King of the Off Deuce
2005-02-13 17:38:42 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid
food, walking on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street
Experience canopy
Why?
Joe Long
2005-02-14 05:26:47 UTC
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On 13 Feb 2005 09:38:42 -0800, "King of the Off Deuce"
Post by Lou Krieger
Post by Lou Krieger
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly
horrid
Post by Lou Krieger
food, walking on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street
Experience canopy
Why?
Because shows like "Survivor" and "Fear Factor" do this, and in
television (even more than movies) producers copy what was hot the
previous season. And no one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the viewing public.

Congrats to Lou for landing a fun and probably quite profitable gig.
--
Joe Long
jlong (at) rnbw (dot) com
oil doe
2005-02-13 18:37:42 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
I'm in Las Vegas working on a TV show called "Vegas Virgins," which is why
I've been largely absent from RGP the past few weeks but it's been more fun
than almost anything I've ever done.
Here's the show's concept in a nutshell: It's a poker-meets-reality-show in
which 10 people who have never played casino poker before -- five from the
USA and five from the UK -- are whisked away to Las Vegas for three weeks,
put up in a first class hotel and provided with poker coaching. That's my
job, and it will be on camera. A "success coach" in the person of Dr. Sally
St. John, has also been provided for the players, and it's her job to work
with each of them on life lessons while I concentrate on making credible
poker players out of absolute newbies.
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid
food, walking on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street
Experience canopy -- sort of like "Survivor" or "Fear Factor," and it's no
surprise since the show's producers are veterans of those shows -- and task
performance determines the number of starting chips in each night's poker
game.
The winner of each evening's poker game selects one player to be tossed off
the show. In alternating fashion, they toss a Brit, then an American, until
just one player from each country remains. The two survivors will play and
the winner receives $5,000 to play poker against a few real "pros," each of
whom will be armed with fewer chips. The money discrepancy levels the
playing field and give the newbie a fair shot at winning.
I'm on camera for all shows giving poker lessons to the players and doing
the play-by-play commentary of each nightly tournament, which gives me some
opportunity to talk up my seven books, as well as the two online sites I'm
associated with: Royal Vegas Poker and the College Poker Championship.
I'm not sure about when the show will air in the USA, although it is set to
air in the UK in May or June. While we were filming, folks from the Casino
and Gaming TV Network were on hand, so they'll probably air the show, even
though that network has yet to make its debut. Vegas Virgins will be seen
in both the UK and USA through syndication, though I do not have any
specific dates; what I do know is that filming began the last week in
January and will run through February 15.
I realize the hard core cynics on RGP will probably trash the show as being
untrue to the real nature of poker, but I've never done anything like this
in my life and I'm loving every moment of it. Days are long; there are
poker lessons to be given, tasks to be performed (often at different
locations in and around Las Vegas -- we've been to the Rim of Fire, the Navy
Graveyard at Nelson, NV, an Elvis Wedding Chapel, Fremont Street) and the
riggings and shoots are quite time consuming. Often we begin in the morning
and don't finish until midnight. I think I've played poker only four times
since I've been here, although I did get a chance to have breakfast one day
with Jim Brier, Barry Tanenbaum, and Dr. Al Schoonmaker.
The nightly poker tournaments have been filmed onsite at the Orleans as well
as at Media Underground, a Las Vegas production facility with a controlled
environment, where a set has been rigged to model a poker game in a casino.
We began filming in late January and conclude February 15. The crew is a
mixture of Brits, Aussies, and Irish and a great group to work and hang out
with. When they hired me for the gig, I looked at it as a one-time
opportunity. But now with some light visible at the end of the tunnel, I'm
hoping the show is successful and they decide to bring it, and me, back for
a second season.
With John Harkness doing his thing on "Tilt," and me on "Vegas Virgins," can
episodic television be the next frontier for poker players? In this altered
state of poker perception and media feeding frenzy, anything can happen.
Quien sabe?
Well Lou. I'm packing for Vegas as we speak. I'm really looking forward
to seeing you again - although I sincerely hope that my cameo appearance
on a poker reality show doesn't go down in history as the moment televised
poker jumped the shark:)

Amy aka doe

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Paul G.
2005-02-13 20:09:52 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
With John Harkness doing his thing on "Tilt,"
John who? Never heard of him.
Call'em as I See'em
2005-02-13 21:40:22 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
With John Harkness doing his thing on "Tilt," and me on "Vegas Virgins," can
episodic television be the next frontier for poker players? In this altered
state of poker perception and media feeding frenzy, anything can happen.
Quien sabe?
I sure as hell hope this is a fucking joke. If it's not, then we have
an example of another goddamn poker whore trying to make his fifteen
cents by getting involved in a bunch of stuipd crap.

I'm ashamed to be a poker player.
Paul G.
2005-02-13 22:05:24 UTC
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Post by Call'em as I See'em
I sure as hell hope this is a fucking joke. If it's not, then we have
an example of another goddamn poker whore trying to make his fifteen
cents by getting involved in a bunch of stuipd crap.
I'm ashamed to be a poker player.
Well you SHOULD be ashamed. Not to be a "poker player", but to be such a
nasty and rude individual.
Peg Smith
2005-02-13 22:31:21 UTC
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:22 -0800, Call'em as I See'em
Post by Call'em as I See'em
I sure as hell hope this is a fucking joke. If it's not, then we have
an example of another goddamn poker whore trying to make his fifteen
cents by getting involved in a bunch of stuipd crap.
I'm ashamed to be a poker player.
If it paid well enough, I'd promote all kinds of stupid crap. Good for
Lou.

Peg
dennylynch
2005-02-14 00:50:39 UTC
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I hear one of the stunts is held at Treasure Island and the players try
to jump a shark.
Call'em as I See'em
2005-02-14 06:54:25 UTC
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:21 -0600, Peg Smith
Post by Peg Smith
If it paid well enough, I'd promote all kinds of stupid crap. Good for
Lou.
Peg
QED. Definition of whore. Would you smoke a cigarette (assuming
you're a non-smoker) if they paid you enough? I wouldn't. Would you
take a drink (assuming you're a non drinker) if they paid you enough?
I wouldn't. There is such a thing as dignity you know. Or maybe you
don't know. They couldn't pay me enough to lower myself to this
level.

Vegas Virgins. Give me a FUCKING break.
Peg Smith
2005-02-14 16:48:03 UTC
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:54:25 -0800, Call'em as I See'em
Post by Call'em as I See'em
Post by Peg Smith
If it paid well enough, I'd promote all kinds of stupid crap. Good for
Lou.
Peg
QED. Definition of whore. Would you smoke a cigarette (assuming
you're a non-smoker) if they paid you enough? I wouldn't. Would you
take a drink (assuming you're a non drinker) if they paid you enough?
I wouldn't. There is such a thing as dignity you know. Or maybe you
don't know. They couldn't pay me enough to lower myself to this
level.
I didn't say I'd promote anything and everything if paid well enough,
I said "...all kinds of stupid crap."
Post by Call'em as I See'em
Vegas Virgins. Give me a FUCKING break.
Good heavens, son, chill. It's a harmless tv show. The Earth will keep
spinning, the sun will keep rising in the morning, and life as we know
it will still carry on.

Peg
Joe Long
2005-02-15 05:20:23 UTC
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:54:25 -0800, Call'em as I See'em
Post by Call'em as I See'em
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:31:21 -0600, Peg Smith
Post by Peg Smith
If it paid well enough, I'd promote all kinds of stupid crap. Good for
Lou.
QED. Definition of whore.
No, it isn't.
Post by Call'em as I See'em
Would you smoke a cigarette (assuming you're a non-smoker) if
they paid you enough? I wouldn't.
I would (and I've never smoked a cigarette in my life). There's
nothing illegal or immoral about smoking, it's just stupid, and one
wouldn't hurt me.
Post by Call'em as I See'em
Would you take a drink (assuming you're a non drinker) if they
paid you enough? I wouldn't.
I do consume alcohol on occasion, so I don't qualify for this one.
Let's try something equivalent. I'm a vegetarian -- but for enough
money I'd eat a steak. Because my vegetarianism isn't a religion with
me, it's just a lifestyle preference, and going "off the wagon" on an
occasion for a substantial renumeration wouldn't bother my conscience.
I'd just contribute a chunk of what I was paid to my local animal
shelter and figure that on balance I'd helped more than I'd hurt.
Post by Call'em as I See'em
There is such a thing as dignity you know. Or maybe you
don't know. They couldn't pay me enough to lower myself to this
level.
It's easy to say that when they are NOT offering you the money.
Somehow I feel that if they actually did, you'd geek.
Post by Call'em as I See'em
Vegas Virgins. Give me a FUCKING break.
And them grapes is sour anyway, right?
--
Joe Long
jlong (at) rnbw (dot) com
GnubieAtTourneys
2005-02-15 09:10:04 UTC
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Speaking of vegetarians eating meat, didn't Howard Lederer win a
$10,000 bet by eating a cheeseburger? I'd love to get that gig.
Paul G.
2005-02-15 10:41:40 UTC
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Post by Joe Long
I'd just contribute a chunk of what I was paid to my local animal
shelter
That's nice, Joe. That's a nice thing to say.
Lou Krieger
2005-02-14 00:59:57 UTC
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I sure as hell hope this is a fucking joke. If it's not, then we have an
example of another goddamn poker whore trying to make his fifteen cents by
getting involved in a bunch of stuipd crap.

I'm ashamed to be a poker player. <<

Ha! It's happening already, just as I predicted in my earlier post, only a
lot sooner than I expected. I knew I could count on you.
________
Lou Krieger
Raise your game with Lou Krieger, author of "Poker For Dummies," at Royal
Vegas Poker.
http://www.royalvegaspoker.com
dennylynch
2005-02-14 01:27:10 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
I realize the hard core cynics on RGP will probably trash the show as being
untrue to the real nature of poker

Since "eating really horrid food" is one of the stunts, I'd say that's
as true to the real nature of poker as you can get.
John Harkness
2005-02-14 01:33:59 UTC
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Post by Lou Krieger
Post by Lou Krieger
I realize the hard core cynics on RGP will probably trash the show
as being
untrue to the real nature of poker
Since "eating really horrid food" is one of the stunts, I'd say that's
as true to the real nature of poker as you can get.
Not in LA it isn't.

John Harkness
GnubieAtTourneys
2005-02-15 09:27:02 UTC
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I dunno. I've eaten at the Bicycle Club, Commerce, and Hollywood Park
and found the food fairly mediocre. Then again, they had better hold
'em games than Spago's.
John Harkness
2005-02-15 13:05:04 UTC
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On 15 Feb 2005 01:27:02 -0800, "GnubieAtTourneys"
Post by GnubieAtTourneys
I dunno. I've eaten at the Bicycle Club, Commerce, and Hollywood Park
and found the food fairly mediocre. Then again, they had better hold
'em games than Spago's.
But you wouldn't classify it as "really horrible food" -- I'm quite
fond of the Asian soup assortment at the Bike.

John Harkness
GnubieAtTourneys
2005-02-15 17:36:26 UTC
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Post by John Harkness
But you wouldn't classify it as "really horrible food" -- I'm quite
fond of the Asian soup assortment at the Bike.
True. Although most people wouldn't consider "not really horrible
food" to be
a good food review in a restaurant guide. Don't get me wrong -- I eat
in LA
casinos a lot, but only because I am playing poker at the time.

Joe Long
2005-02-14 05:30:16 UTC
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Post by dennylynch
Post by Lou Krieger
I realize the hard core cynics on RGP will probably trash the show
as being untrue to the real nature of poker
Since "eating really horrid food" is one of the stunts, I'd say that's
as true to the real nature of poker as you can get.
Yeah, when I first got to that part I thought Lou was talking about
the buffet.
--
Joe Long
jlong (at) rnbw (dot) com
Joe Long
2005-02-14 05:28:10 UTC
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:40:22 -0800, Call'em as I See'em
Post by Call'em as I See'em
I sure as hell hope this is a fucking joke. If it's not, then we have
an example of another goddamn poker whore trying to make his fifteen
cents by getting involved in a bunch of stuipd crap.
I'm ashamed to be a poker player.
Meeeooow. (And I'll bet them grapes are sour, too, eh?)
--
Joe Long
jlong (at) rnbw (dot) com
Annie Adlin
2005-02-14 19:19:51 UTC
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Best of luck Lou!
Post by Lou Krieger
I'm in Las Vegas working on a TV show called "Vegas Virgins," which is why
I've been largely absent from RGP the past few weeks but it's been more fun
than almost anything I've ever done.
Here's the show's concept in a nutshell: It's a poker-meets-reality-show in
which 10 people who have never played casino poker before -- five from the
USA and five from the UK -- are whisked away to Las Vegas for three weeks,
put up in a first class hotel and provided with poker coaching. That's my
job, and it will be on camera. A "success coach" in the person of Dr. Sally
St. John, has also been provided for the players, and it's her job to work
with each of them on life lessons while I concentrate on making credible
poker players out of absolute newbies.
Each day there are tasks to be performed, such as eating incredibly horrid
food, walking on a tightrope suspended just below the Fremont Street
Experience canopy -- sort of like "Survivor" or "Fear Factor," and it's no
surprise since the show's producers are veterans of those shows -- and task
performance determines the number of starting chips in each night's poker
game.
The winner of each evening's poker game selects one player to be tossed off
the show. In alternating fashion, they toss a Brit, then an American, until
just one player from each country remains. The two survivors will play and
the winner receives $5,000 to play poker against a few real "pros," each of
whom will be armed with fewer chips. The money discrepancy levels the
playing field and give the newbie a fair shot at winning.
I'm on camera for all shows giving poker lessons to the players and doing
the play-by-play commentary of each nightly tournament, which gives me some
opportunity to talk up my seven books, as well as the two online sites I'm
associated with: Royal Vegas Poker and the College Poker Championship.
I'm not sure about when the show will air in the USA, although it is set to
air in the UK in May or June. While we were filming, folks from the Casino
and Gaming TV Network were on hand, so they'll probably air the show, even
though that network has yet to make its debut. Vegas Virgins will be seen
in both the UK and USA through syndication, though I do not have any
specific dates; what I do know is that filming began the last week in
January and will run through February 15.
I realize the hard core cynics on RGP will probably trash the show as being
untrue to the real nature of poker, but I've never done anything like this
in my life and I'm loving every moment of it. Days are long; there are
poker lessons to be given, tasks to be performed (often at different
locations in and around Las Vegas -- we've been to the Rim of Fire, the Navy
Graveyard at Nelson, NV, an Elvis Wedding Chapel, Fremont Street) and the
riggings and shoots are quite time consuming. Often we begin in the morning
and don't finish until midnight. I think I've played poker only four times
since I've been here, although I did get a chance to have breakfast one day
with Jim Brier, Barry Tanenbaum, and Dr. Al Schoonmaker.
The nightly poker tournaments have been filmed onsite at the Orleans as well
as at Media Underground, a Las Vegas production facility with a controlled
environment, where a set has been rigged to model a poker game in a casino.
We began filming in late January and conclude February 15. The crew is a
mixture of Brits, Aussies, and Irish and a great group to work and hang out
with. When they hired me for the gig, I looked at it as a one-time
opportunity. But now with some light visible at the end of the tunnel, I'm
hoping the show is successful and they decide to bring it, and me, back for
a second season.
With John Harkness doing his thing on "Tilt," and me on "Vegas Virgins," can
episodic television be the next frontier for poker players? In this altered
state of poker perception and media feeding frenzy, anything can happen.
Quien sabe?
Eric Rosenberg
2005-02-15 05:39:19 UTC
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Congrats on the new show, Lou! Don't let any of these posters get you
down. They don't understand that this is an entertainment show and not
serious coverage of a poker tournament.

I wonder if the golf newsgroups light up like this everytime somebody
drives by a miniature golf course!

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