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Rounders questions
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austen holdem24
2004-05-18 17:01:40 UTC
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Seen the movie a bunch of times but have always had some questions:
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.

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DynaMike
2004-05-18 17:19:41 UTC
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You'll get plents of responses since "Rounders" is in the title, but let
me be the first to say that you will have an easier time understanding
what they're saying if you can first understand what they're saying.
Post by austen holdem24
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
Hearts. The Queen of Spades (Black Mariah) is the worst card to get
unless you win all the counters (Shoot the Moon).
Post by austen holdem24
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
No scam, he mowed the lawn, trimmed the hedges. Groundskeeper!

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Gregory Burkett
2004-05-18 17:35:23 UTC
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DynaMike, are you a Bottle Rocket fan? (The movie, not the firework.)

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DynaMike
2004-05-18 18:31:58 UTC
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Post by Gregory Burkett
DynaMike, are you a Bottle Rocket fan? (The movie, not the firework.)
On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.

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Brian
2004-05-18 17:30:13 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
I am pretty sure Teddy said, "So, you are stepping up...good" as in he
didn't want $500 in chips to play 10-20 or whatever, he was playing in the
big game.

Brian

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TJwisco
2004-05-18 17:37:22 UTC
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Worm is playing hearts in jail. About the blackjack I'm pretty sure Mike
says it's a "mick" joint. Probably meaning it's run by some scamming
irish.
BobbyC
2004-05-18 17:42:29 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
I believe he says "setting the apple", which I took to be an allusion to
William Tell, who could shoot an arrow through an apple on his son's head.
The implication being that Mike was about to "take a shot".
Post by austen holdem24
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
Hearts
Post by austen holdem24
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
Groundskeeper. See Bill Murray in Caddyshack ;)
Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
Thought he said Mick joint, a slur against Irish folks.
Post by austen holdem24
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
No idea, I barely know what the "best hand play" is!

Bob

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Thanatos
2004-05-18 17:44:08 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
So you are stepping up. Good.
Post by austen holdem24
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
I think it was "TONK". a very popular game among African Americans. It is a
derivative of Hearts or Spades.
Post by austen holdem24
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
Grounds keeper.
Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
He said Mick Joint. I assume that either meant that it was an Irish Club or
a Mob Run Club. Hopefully someone will clarify.
Post by austen holdem24
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
Things that the writhers though sounded fancy enough.

LT
boneyard
2004-05-18 18:03:10 UTC
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I think "overhand run-ups" would be stacking the deck so the opponents all
get very good but second and third place hands
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Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
So you are stepping up. Good.
Post by austen holdem24
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
I think it was "TONK". a very popular game among African Americans. It is a
derivative of Hearts or Spades.
Post by austen holdem24
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
Grounds keeper.
Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
He said Mick Joint. I assume that either meant that it was an Irish Club or
a Mob Run Club. Hopefully someone will clarify.
Post by austen holdem24
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
Things that the writhers though sounded fancy enough.
LT
Bill Ricardi
2004-05-18 18:51:17 UTC
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Post by boneyard
I think "overhand run-ups" would be stacking the deck so the opponents all
get very good but second and third place hands
Close! That's actually the concept of the 'double duke', and you don't
do it for everybody, just one or two people, while you or your shill
have the best hand. Otherwise they'll drive each other out pre flop,
and you'll look very suspicious calling that all in AK with your 7 10
off to catch your runner strait on the river to his two pair.

At least if you set it up A 8 9, bet call, K all in and call for your
double ended strait, and catch it on the river, you just look like a
lucksac and not a cheat.

'Overhanded run ups' are ways to stack the deck with an overhanded
shuffle.

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Todd
2004-05-18 18:07:37 UTC
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It is not 'stepping up', but rather 'you are sitting the apple' which
means, according to the glossary in the screenplay (yes I know I am a
huge geek for buying the screenplay to the film, but I am both a movie
and poker junkie) to sit in the biggest game going.

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NJ Rounder
2004-05-18 19:13:54 UTC
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DING DING DING....we have a winner.

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Post by Todd
It is not 'stepping up', but rather 'you are sitting the apple' which
means, according to the glossary in the screenplay (yes I know I am a
huge geek for buying the screenplay to the film, but I am both a movie
and poker junkie) to sit in the biggest game going.
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Jay Jerome
2004-05-18 19:55:01 UTC
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Post by Todd
It is not 'stepping up', but rather 'you are sitting the apple' which
means, according to the glossary in the screenplay (yes I know I am a
huge geek for buying the screenplay to the film, but I am both a movie
and poker junkie) to sit in the biggest game going.
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Yeah, I have the script too... & I like Malkovitch's reading of the end
of the line best:

KGB: So, you're sitting the apple. Good. Want a cookie?

Luv them Orieos-- (Know what other great film has a character who asks
the same question?)
ContactGSW
2004-05-18 20:16:22 UTC
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On May 18 2004 2:55PM, Jay Jerome wrote:> KGB: So, you're sitting the
apple. Good. Want a cookie?
Post by Jay Jerome
Luv them Orieos-- (Know what other great film has a character who asks
the same question?)
Prizzi's Honor

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Jay Jerome
2004-05-18 22:35:20 UTC
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Post by ContactGSW
On May 18 2004 2:55PM, Jay Jerome wrote:> KGB: So, you're sitting the
apple. Good. Want a cookie?
Post by Jay Jerome
Luv them Orieos-- (Know what other great film has a character who asks
the same question?)
Prizzi's Honor
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You got it...
JayNT
2004-05-18 21:31:16 UTC
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"Muppets take Manhattan"
Post by Jay Jerome
Post by Todd
It is not 'stepping up', but rather 'you are sitting the apple' which
means, according to the glossary in the screenplay (yes I know I am a
huge geek for buying the screenplay to the film, but I am both a movie
and poker junkie) to sit in the biggest game going.
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Yeah, I have the script too... & I like Malkovitch's reading of the end
KGB: So, you're sitting the apple. Good. Want a cookie?
Luv them Orieos-- (Know what other great film has a character who asks
the same question?)
Michael Kotowski
2004-05-18 22:36:40 UTC
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It's James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams when Ray comes to his apartment.

"Want some coffee? Want a cookie?"
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Post by Todd
It is not 'stepping up', but rather 'you are sitting the apple' which
means, according to the glossary in the screenplay (yes I know I am a
huge geek for buying the screenplay to the film, but I am both a movie
and poker junkie) to sit in the biggest game going.
http://www.liveactionpoker.com/magazine/magazine.html
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Yeah, I have the script too... & I like Malkovitch's reading of the end
KGB: So, you're sitting the apple. Good. Want a cookie?
Luv them Orieos-- (Know what other great film has a character who asks
the same question?)
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RobLP
2004-05-18 19:17:39 UTC
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I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the blackjack
game is filled with counters from MIT.

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BillB
2004-05-18 19:24:43 UTC
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Post by RobLP
I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the blackjack
game is filled with counters from MIT.
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I believe it's "mitt joint", a house that uses mechanics to cheat the players.
Jay Jerome
2004-05-18 20:00:09 UTC
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Post by RobLP
I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the blackjack
game is filled with counters from MIT.
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No, in the script it's written "mitt"
BillMM
2004-05-19 00:59:00 UTC
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Post by Jay Jerome
Post by RobLP
I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the blackjack
game is filled with counters from MIT.
No, in the script it's written "mitt"
Funny, I always heard it as "mint" joint, as in the cheaters make a mint!

Speaking of the script, what happened to the Petra-MikeMcD sex scene? :)

Guess they didn't think it would've been realistic; unlike, say, the Oreo
tell, or winning 100+ big bets in a cops' payday 20-40 stud game in 2-3
hours and its "good hand" & smiles all around.

Famke's also about 6" taller than Matt Damon.

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timmer
2004-05-19 01:33:03 UTC
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it is MICK joint .
Post by BillMM
Post by Jay Jerome
Post by RobLP
I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the blackjack
game is filled with counters from MIT.
No, in the script it's written "mitt"
Funny, I always heard it as "mint" joint, as in the cheaters make a mint!
Speaking of the script, what happened to the Petra-MikeMcD sex scene? :)
Guess they didn't think it would've been realistic; unlike, say, the Oreo
tell, or winning 100+ big bets in a cops' payday 20-40 stud game in 2-3
hours and its "good hand" & smiles all around.
Famke's also about 6" taller than Matt Damon.
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shortstack3
2004-05-19 02:57:13 UTC
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OK, here's a good one.


What hand does KGB have when Mike busts him on the nut straight at the
end of the movie?

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ECW News
2004-05-19 04:41:52 UTC
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I didnt see this personally...but I read somewhere that someone slowplayed
back the DVD and somewho saw the hand has he throws the his chips
everywhere...and its TT giving him top set on the flop (2nd best hand
after the flop).
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OK, here's a good one.
What hand does KGB have when Mike busts him on the nut straight at the
end of the movie?
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J Tag
2004-05-20 00:16:25 UTC
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Actually the captioning for the movie reads "mitt joint".
Post by timmer
it is MICK joint .
Post by BillMM
Post by Jay Jerome
Post by RobLP
I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the
blackjack
Post by BillMM
Post by Jay Jerome
Post by RobLP
game is filled with counters from MIT.
No, in the script it's written "mitt"
Funny, I always heard it as "mint" joint, as in the cheaters make a mint!
Speaking of the script, what happened to the Petra-MikeMcD sex scene? :)
Guess they didn't think it would've been realistic; unlike, say, the Oreo
tell, or winning 100+ big bets in a cops' payday 20-40 stud game in 2-3
hours and its "good hand" & smiles all around.
Famke's also about 6" taller than Matt Damon.
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John Harkness
2004-05-19 08:09:43 UTC
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Post by BillMM
Post by Jay Jerome
Post by RobLP
I am pretty sure that he says it is a "MIT" joint, meaning the blackjack
game is filled with counters from MIT.
No, in the script it's written "mitt"
Funny, I always heard it as "mint" joint, as in the cheaters make a mint!
Speaking of the script, what happened to the Petra-MikeMcD sex scene? :)
Guess they didn't think it would've been realistic;
Brian Koppelman, who co-wrote the screenplay and posts here
occasionally has mentioned that regarding the missing Mike/Petra
scene, that he has no idea WHAT they were thinking. And she's only
taller than Damon when they're standing up.

John Harkness
Jeff
2004-05-18 18:07:42 UTC
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1. "Setting the apple." He's taking a bigger step, trying to win some
high stakes now. Notice he asks mike if hes going for the regular $500
buy in, and this time he wants 30k. HUGE jump.

2. Hearts.

3. Groundskeeper, janitor. Take your pick.

4. Beats me.

5. I always wondered this too, and more specifically, how they are done.
I'm more interested in the "caught a hanger." thing as well.
unfortunately, they say all these things like youll already understand
what they mean. for newcomers, this would be quite difficult.
Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
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Bill Ricardi
2004-05-18 18:43:04 UTC
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Post by Jeff
5. I always wondered this too, and more specifically, how they are done.
I'm more interested in the "caught a hanger." thing as well.
unfortunately, they say all these things like youll already understand
what they mean. for newcomers, this would be quite difficult.
Catching a hanger is when the mechanic fails a bottom deck deal, and
leaves the corner of the next bottom card sticking out slightly, or
leaves some other indication that he just dealt from the bottom of the
deck.

Man, if I keep answering these, people are going to think bad things.
:) I just research mechanic stuff so that I can detect it, and I
suggest that other players do the same.

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lucas9000
2004-05-20 00:58:12 UTC
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Post by Bill Ricardi
Catching a hanger is when the mechanic fails a bottom deck deal, and
leaves the corner of the next bottom card sticking out slightly, or
leaves some other indication that he just dealt from the bottom of the
deck.
so what about when kinish says that a snapping sound gave away worm's
mechanics? does base dealing or some other mechanic trick make a sound
when done wrong? i've never understood that one.

lucas
John Harkness
2004-05-20 07:40:35 UTC
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Post by lucas9000
Post by Bill Ricardi
Catching a hanger is when the mechanic fails a bottom deck deal, and
leaves the corner of the next bottom card sticking out slightly, or
leaves some other indication that he just dealt from the bottom of the
deck.
so what about when kinish says that a snapping sound gave away worm's
mechanics? does base dealing or some other mechanic trick make a sound
when done wrong? i've never understood that one.
lucas
Dealing seconds, if not done perfectly will cause the top card to
"snap" against the deck as the second card slides out. Or so I've
heard. Or not heard, as the case may be.

John Harkness
Bill Ricardi
2004-05-20 07:46:00 UTC
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Post by Bill Ricardi
Catching a hanger is when the mechanic fails a bottom deck deal, and
leaves the corner of the next bottom card sticking out slightly, or
leaves some other indication that he just dealt from the bottom of the
deck.
so what about when kinish says that a snapping sound gave away worm's
mechanics? does base dealing or some other mechanic trick make a sound
when done wrong? i've never understood that one.
Well, frankly, in the average sound surrounding a poker game, Kinish
would have to be listening for it. But yeah, certain mechanics can
produce a slight snapping sound. When you're burning the second card
down instead of the top card, for example, the pressure of your thumb
on the top of the deck can cause the top crad to snap a little. Other
mechanics that involve middle dealing can have this effect too. But
again, I mean, if he's any good at all this is minimized.


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Aces 'n Eights
2004-05-18 18:54:39 UTC
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Post by Jeff
5. I always wondered this too, and more specifically, how they are done.
I'm more interested in the "caught a hanger." thing as well.
unfortunately, they say all these things like youll already understand
what they mean. for newcomers, this would be quite difficult.
As Bill already answered - these are mechanics terms. "Caught a Hanger" is
another one. Someone can probably explain it better but essentially it
happens if you are "base-dealing" (dealing from the bottom of the deck).
It's when the second to last card "sticks" a little to the bottom card you
are dealing and becomes "mis-aligned" with the rest of the deck. You now
"caught a hanger." It's the "tell" that you are base dealing because
(obviously) if you are dealing from the top the bottom cards should not
"move".

A8

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Ben
2004-05-18 20:50:45 UTC
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Post by Jeff
5. I always wondered this too, and more specifically, how they are done.
I'm more interested in the "caught a hanger." thing as well.
unfortunately, they say all these things like youll already understand
what they mean. for newcomers, this would be quite difficult.
I think the overhand runup is a stack retention shuffling trick.
The double duke, as I understand it, is simply dealing seconds.

And catching a hanger is when you are base dealing and you pull the second
from bottom card. Norton is actually base dealing in that scene, IIRC.
Bill Ricardi
2004-05-18 18:10:12 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
Since the rest were answered, I'll take this one.

These are mechanic terms. Which means, Worm was cheating by
manipulating the deck.

A 'double duke' means that he set up a good hand for someone else, and
a slightly better hand for either himself or his partner.

An 'overhand runup' is when the mechanic stacks the deck by using an
overhand shuffle to arrange exactly which cards he wants to deal.

Hold out your palm face up. Tuck your pinky finger and your ring
finger into your palm, release, tuck your index and middle finger into
your palm, release, tuck your thumb into your palm, release. Practice
this until you are comfortable moving these three sets of fingers
independently.

Now pick up a deck of cards, thumb on top of the deck, ring and pinky
finger on the outside long edge of the deck, and middle and index
finger on the short side that is away from you, hiding as much of the
deck as possible. You've just executed a primitive Mechanic's Grip.
Using sleight of hand and a grip like this, a mechanic manipulates the
deck right in front of the people he or she is trying to swindle.
There are at least four versions of the grip that magicians and
mechanics use.

Hope this helped.

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andrewsuber
2004-05-18 19:24:28 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
I understood that term to mean a gambling house, more specifically, a
gambling house that is crooked in some way. For instance, if card
mechanics were employed as the props or dealers.

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Greg Gensicki
2004-05-18 20:04:08 UTC
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www.shademovie.com has some astounding card tricks on the "Tricks & Shades"
tab.
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Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
I understood that term to mean a gambling house, more specifically, a
gambling house that is crooked in some way. For instance, if card
mechanics were employed as the props or dealers.
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gary furness
2004-05-18 20:11:31 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
Tonk. very popular gin-variation, would be the game of choice in a
NBAplane.
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Predictor
2004-05-18 20:14:51 UTC
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I also always thought he said "Mic joint" too, referring to an Irish place
but sure enough I found this:
Mitt joint: A club where the house cheats the players, or one that turns a
blind eye to cheating in general

here: http://www.poker-online-poker-online.com/pokerterms.html
Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
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NutSpade
2004-05-18 20:48:35 UTC
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That kid's last name in the movie was Mcdermott, wasn't it?
What would he talk about his own hertitage like that? (mick joint)
Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
5. When they are at that ivy league game, playing Chicago stud, what are
some of the moves that worm is doing i.e. overhand run ups, the double
duke? I know the best hand play, fairly obvious even for me, but ive never
heard of any of the other stuff.
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John Harkness
2004-05-19 08:06:51 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
1. In the very beginning, Teddy KGB says to Mike "So, you are sitting an
apple...good" what the hell does that mean?
SETTING the apple. He means he's going for a score.
Post by austen holdem24
2. When worm gets out of jail, what game is he playing with those other
inmates?
Hearts.
Post by austen holdem24
3. in that same scene, worm out of jail, Mike narrating says "Worm's dad
did the grounds when he wasnt too drunk. Thats when we did them" Whats the
grounds, i realize its probably some sort of scheme or grift but what
excatly?
HE means Worm's dad's job. The lawn. the hedges.
Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
A cheating club -- that's an old, old expression.

John Harkness
Brian Koppelman
2004-05-23 01:22:00 UTC
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Sitting the apple. Means playing in the top game. again, trust me on this.
BK
lucas9000
2004-05-20 00:52:55 UTC
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Post by austen holdem24
4. When worm is talking about trying to beat the Blackjack game at some
club, Mike says that its a mitt joint, what is that?
a card club that allows cheating in one way or another, most likely for its
own benefit. and yes it is "mitt."

lucas
Slinuxuzer
2004-05-21 00:16:10 UTC
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the grounds means he was a grounds keeper, he mowed the lawn. Its a mick joint
not mitt, which is a racial slurrr for an irish man. he is playing spades with
the black guys, another racial thing<ppl think that most black guys play
spades>
Brian Koppelman
2004-05-23 01:14:05 UTC
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Post by Slinuxuzer
the grounds means he was a grounds keeper, he mowed the lawn. Its a mick joint
not mitt, which is a racial slurrr for an irish man. he is playing spades with
the black guys, another racial thing<ppl think that most black guys play
spades>
It's Mitt joint, a crooked gambling room. Trust me on this, that's the line.
howardbeal1
2004-05-23 18:31:57 UTC
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Post by Brian Koppelman
Post by Slinuxuzer
the grounds means he was a grounds keeper, he mowed the lawn. Its a mick joint
not mitt, which is a racial slurrr for an irish man. he is playing spades with
the black guys, another racial thing<ppl think that most black guys play
spades>
It's Mitt joint, a crooked gambling room. Trust me on this, that's the line.
"Trust me on this, that's the line." LOL!

I guess that not many of these folks know you are one of the two
screenwriters of this movie and probably it's sole inspiration. I
used to play with you at the Mayfair and at the Madison Ave. club.
Are you at all surprised that the movie gets this much attention
after this many years? Any thoughts of another poker movie?

btw: you might consider selling screenplays with commentary.

Howard Beale

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
Brian Koppelman
2004-05-23 19:07:28 UTC
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I always thought the film, despite Irish Mike's condemnation of it, would have
legs.
As far as doing a commentary: Miramax is issuing a collector's edition dvd
with plenty of commentary tracks. I think it is coming out at the end of the
summer.
Just seeing the words Mayfair and Madison Ave club (vfw) brings back great
memories of long nights and endless afternoons.
J Tag
2004-06-01 18:12:00 UTC
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... As far as doing a commentary: Miramax is issuing a collector's edition > dvd with plenty of commentary tracks. I think it is coming out at the end of the
summer...
Can you give us any more details as to who is doing the commentaries?
Is John Dahl involved as much as you and David Levien? Any idea if
they will be including the deleted scenes we can catch glimpses of in
the trailers?

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