Nick Wool <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
: "Chris Bellomy" <***@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
: > ChrisBrown <***@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
: > : On Dec 23 2004 12:38 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
: > :
: > :
: > : > If I were to whine about bad beats, I could fill the whole
: > : > of RGP with horror stories, as I sure we all could.
: > :
: > : Not me. i've never suffered a bad beat. for me a bad beat can only
: > : when u flop quads or better and then get beat by 2 perfect cards.
: > : Everything else is just an unfortunate occurence.
: > Well, there's a different discussion. For me, a bad beat occurs
: > when someone calls when they should know that they're dominated,
: > and then sucks in their card(s) anyway. Anytime a stupid decision
: > is rewarded, or a smart one punished, constitutes a bad beat.
: > In my book, anyway. YMMV.
: Hmmm...I like your idea of a bad beat. But sometimes its hard to know if
: your are dominated, or if a decision is stupid before the cards are turned
: over. For example...AK on button raise 6 times BB with 5 limpers....UTG
: flat calls, and the rest fold. Flop comes AK2 rainbow....UTG bets all
: in...Should AK call?
That wouldn't fall in the realm of bad beats either way for me,
because the flop is so friendly to AK.
: lets say AK calls, and UTG shows 22...Was it a stupid
: decision for AK to call?
Actually, it was a stupid decision for 22 to call pre-flop!
: Alternatively, AK folds, and UTG shows AQ because
: he think he had the best hand, and didn't want be seen as a bluffer. So how
: would we know which is the more stupid action prior to the cards being
: turned over?
I wouldn't consider any aspect of that stupid play. Maybe
a bit reckless, but not out-and-out stupid.
Stupid is four folks left in a SNG with nobody especially
weak. UTG pushes all in (say, 8xBB) and BB calls with a
roughly equal stack... holding A4.
As far as I'm concerned, almost any win for A4 in this
situation is a terrible beat. He has to figure that he's
up against something like AK or a pp higher than 4's. In
either case he's a heavy underdog, and he should know it.
Yet, I see this routinely. And, of course, they win their
1/3 of these confrontations.
I'm generally pretty forgiving of preflop all-ins that
turn into underdog wins, because the favorite in those
situations usually isn't all that far ahead when they
go in. What makes me crazy is all-ins after the flop
when the board has 488, one player pushes, and another
calls holding 33. I've had this particular flavor of
moron suck out the 3 on me more times than I care to
count. I certainly haven't won 90% of these situations.
The law of averages owes me bigtime.