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Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?
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VegasJerry
2012-06-15 20:38:11 UTC
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Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?

Jun 14, 2012 | By ThinkProgress War Room

Back to Bush, Only Much Worse?

A few weeks ago, the Republican National Committee confirmed what we already knew: that Mitt Romney’s agenda would be the same as President George W. Bush, “just updated.”

What are some of the updates?

• New, even larger tax cuts for the wealthy and huge corporations

• Tax increases on middle class families with children and the poorest Americans

• The end of the Medicare guarantee

• Draconian cuts to Social Security and Medicaid

• Devastating cuts to programs and services that benefit the middle class each and every day

• Even more wasteful and unnecessary defense spending

In short, how does Mitt Romney differ from Bush? Romney is much further to the right and would give even more away to the wealthiest at the expense of the rest of us.

Americans Still Blame Bush for the Economy — And Five Reasons Why That’s Totally Fair

A new poll out today shows that Americans overwhelmingly blame Bush for our current economic conditions. Even 49 percent of Republicans blame Bush, along with 67 percent of independents and 90 percent of Democrats.

ThinkProgress’ Annie-Rose Strasser and Tara Culp-Ressler round up the top five reasons why Americans should continue to blame Bush for the economy:

1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street executive during the Bush administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing bubble and allowed financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush eliminated the rules that allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation into the Great Recession.

2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts — over 50 percent of which benefited the richest 5 percent of American taxpayers — cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade after they were enacted. Ten years later, Bush’s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the national debt:

3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the country trillionsofdollars. Combined with Bush’s tax cuts, war spending was amain factor in blowing up the deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now use the deficit as an excuse for inaction.

4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks in the wake of the housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners.Hope For Homeowners, Bush’s proposal to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in its first six months, it helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders — 15.7 million or, one in three — are still underwater today.

5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective bargaining rights under the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department of Labor throughout his time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while workers’ incomes are falling.

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Pepe Papon
2012-06-17 08:26:44 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
A new poll out today shows that Americans overwhelmingly blame Bush for our current economic conditions. Even 49 percent of Republicans blame Bush, along with 67 percent of independents and 90 percent of Democrats.
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street executive during the Bush administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing bubble and allowed financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush eliminated the rules that allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation into the Great Recession.
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the country trillionsofdollars. Combined with Bush’s tax cuts, war spending was amain factor in blowing up the deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now use the deficit as an excuse for inaction.
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks in the wake of the housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners.Hope For Homeowners, Bush’s proposal to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in its first six months, it helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders — 15.7 million or, one in three — are still underwater today.
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective bargaining rights under the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department of Labor throughout his time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while workers’ incomes are falling.
Are Americans *really* stupid enough to both blame Bush for the
economy and also want to fire Obama for it and hire the guy who will
do more of what Bush did?

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Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
Clave
2012-06-17 08:34:23 UTC
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"Pepe Papon" <***@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

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Are Americans *really* stupid enough...
I'm surprised you bothered to finish that sentence.

Jim
brewmaster
2012-06-17 11:45:52 UTC
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A new poll out today shows that Americans overwhelmingly blame Bush for our
current economic
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conditions. Even 49 percent of Republicans blame Bush, along with 67 percent
of independents and 90
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percent of Democrats.
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ThinkProgress’ Annie-Rose Strasser and Tara Culp-Ressler round up the top
five reasons why
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1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street
executive during the Bush
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administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing
bubble and allowed
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financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush
eliminated the rules that
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allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation
into the Great Recession.
Post by VegasJerry
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2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts — over 50 percent of which
benefited the richest 5
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percent of American taxpayers — cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade
after they were enacted.
Post by VegasJerry
Ten years later, Bush’s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the
Post by VegasJerry
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the
country
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trillionsofdollars. Combined with Bush’s tax cuts, war spending was amain
factor in blowing up the
Post by VegasJerry
deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now
use the deficit as an
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excuse for inaction.
Post by VegasJerry
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks
in the wake of the
Post by VegasJerry
housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners.Hope For
Homeowners, Bush’s proposal
Post by VegasJerry
to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in
its first six months, it
Post by VegasJerry
helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders —
15.7 million or, one in
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three — are still underwater today.
Post by VegasJerry
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective
bargaining rights under
Post by VegasJerry
the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department
of Labor throughout his
Post by VegasJerry
time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while
workers’ incomes are
Post by VegasJerry
falling.
Are Americans *really* stupid enough to both blame Bush for the
economy and also want to fire Obama for it and hire the guy who will
do more of what Bush did?
You work (or worked) in the same industry I do. Do you know the term
"what have you done for me lately?" What happened 4 years ago is
completely irrelevant. Hell, what happened a month ago is irrelevant.
Bush is gone, out of the picture. Current issues all belong to Obama. I
know you liberals don't want to believe that, but that is the fact.
Independents will decide this election, and they aren't "but Bushing".
Post by VegasJerry
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Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
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Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
VegasJerry
2012-06-17 12:09:40 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
A new poll out today shows that Americans overwhelmingly blame Bush for our
current economic
Post by VegasJerry
conditions. Even 49 percent of Republicans blame Bush, along with 67 percent
of independents and 90
Post by VegasJerry
percent of Democrats.
Post by VegasJerry
ThinkProgress� Annie-Rose Strasser and Tara Culp-Ressler round up the top
five reasons why
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street
executive during the Bush
Post by VegasJerry
administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing
bubble and allowed
Post by VegasJerry
financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush
eliminated the rules that
Post by VegasJerry
allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation
into the Great Recession.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts � over 50 percent of which
benefited the richest 5
Post by VegasJerry
percent of American taxpayers � cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade
after they were enacted.
Post by VegasJerry
Ten years later, Bush�s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the
Post by VegasJerry
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the
country
Post by VegasJerry
trillionsofdollars. Combined with Bush�s tax cuts, war spending was amain
factor in blowing up the
Post by VegasJerry
deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now
use the deficit as an
Post by VegasJerry
excuse for inaction.
Post by VegasJerry
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks
in the wake of the
Post by VegasJerry
housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners.Hope For
Homeowners, Bush�s proposal
Post by VegasJerry
to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in
its first six months, it
Post by VegasJerry
helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders �
15.7 million or, one in
Post by VegasJerry
three � are still underwater today.
Post by VegasJerry
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective
bargaining rights under
Post by VegasJerry
the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department
of Labor throughout his
Post by VegasJerry
time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while
workers� incomes are
Post by VegasJerry
falling.
Are Americans *really* stupid enough to both blame Bush for the
economy and also want to fire Obama for it and hire the guy who will
do more of what Bush did?
You work (or worked) in the same industry I do. Do you know the term
"what have you done for me lately?" What happened 4 years ago is
completely irrelevant.
How can they NOT be relevant? It's why we're where we at.
Post by VegasJerry
Hell, what happened a month ago is irrelevant.
It's relevant. It's why we're where we're at.
Post by VegasJerry
Bush is gone, out of the picture.
Duh!
Post by VegasJerry
Current issues all belong to Obama.
And how did the issues get there?
Post by VegasJerry
I know you liberals don't want to believe that,
I know you conservatives don't want to admit it was Bush and the Republicans that got us where we are.


Jerry 'n Vegas




but that is the fact.
Post by VegasJerry
Independents will decide this election, and they aren't "but Bushing".
Post by VegasJerry
--
Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
brewmaster
2012-06-17 12:25:16 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
A new poll out today shows that Americans overwhelmingly blame Bush for our
current economic
Post by VegasJerry
conditions. Even 49 percent of Republicans blame Bush, along with 67 percent
of independents and 90
Post by VegasJerry
percent of Democrats.
Post by VegasJerry
ThinkProgress� Annie-Rose Strasser and Tara Culp-Ressler round up the top
five reasons why
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street
executive during the Bush
Post by VegasJerry
administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing
bubble and allowed
Post by VegasJerry
financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush
eliminated the rules that
Post by VegasJerry
allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation
into the Great Recession.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts � over 50 percent of which
benefited the richest 5
Post by VegasJerry
percent of American taxpayers � cost about $2.5 trillion over the decade
after they were enacted.
Post by VegasJerry
Ten years later, Bush�s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of the
Post by VegasJerry
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the
country
Post by VegasJerry
trillionsofdollars. Combined with Bush�s tax cuts, war spending was amain
factor in blowing up the
Post by VegasJerry
deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now
use the deficit as an
Post by VegasJerry
excuse for inaction.
Post by VegasJerry
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the banks
in the wake of the
Post by VegasJerry
housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners.Hope For
Homeowners, Bush�s proposal
Post by VegasJerry
to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure; in
its first six months, it
Post by VegasJerry
helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage holders �
15.7 million or, one in
Post by VegasJerry
three � are still underwater today.
Post by VegasJerry
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and collective
bargaining rights under
Post by VegasJerry
the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the Department
of Labor throughout his
Post by VegasJerry
time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits, while
workers� incomes are
Post by VegasJerry
falling.
Are Americans *really* stupid enough to both blame Bush for the
economy and also want to fire Obama for it and hire the guy who will
do more of what Bush did?
You work (or worked) in the same industry I do. Do you know the term
"what have you done for me lately?" What happened 4 years ago is
completely irrelevant.
How can they NOT be relevant? It's why we're where we at.
Post by VegasJerry
Hell, what happened a month ago is irrelevant.
It's relevant. It's why we're where we're at.
Post by VegasJerry
Bush is gone, out of the picture.
Duh!
Post by VegasJerry
Current issues all belong to Obama.
And how did the issues get there?
Post by VegasJerry
I know you liberals don't want to believe that,
I know you conservatives don't want to admit it was Bush and the Republicans
that got us where we
Post by VegasJerry
are.
Here in the real world it doesn't matter who caused the problem, it only
matters who is currently in charge and what they are doing to fix it.
Honestly.

It has been 3.5 years since Bush left. My life isn't better, is yours?
Well, tbh, my life isn't worse either.
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Jerry 'n Vegas
but that is the fact.
Post by VegasJerry
Independents will decide this election, and they aren't "but Bushing".
Post by VegasJerry
--
Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
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Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
VegasJerry
2012-06-17 13:24:13 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
A new poll out today shows that Americans overwhelmingly blame Bush for
our
Post by VegasJerry
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current economic
Post by VegasJerry
conditions. Even 49 percent of Republicans blame Bush, along with 67
percent
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of independents and 90
Post by VegasJerry
percent of Democrats.
Post by VegasJerry
ThinkProgress� Annie-Rose Strasser and Tara Culp-Ressler round up the
top
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five reasons why
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
1. Deregulated Wall Street: It was a great time to be a Wall Street
executive during the Bush
Post by VegasJerry
administration. Sweeping financial deregulation helped build the housing
bubble and allowed
Post by VegasJerry
financial institutions to pursue risky trades unchecked. In fact, Bush
eliminated the rules that
Post by VegasJerry
allowed Wall Street to cause the financial crash that plunged the nation
into the Great Recession.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy: The Bush tax cuts � over 50 percent of
which
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
benefited the richest 5
Post by VegasJerry
percent of American taxpayers � cost about $2.5 trillion over the
decade
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
after they were enacted.
Post by VegasJerry
Ten years later, Bush�s tax cuts are still the main driving factor of
the
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost
the
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
country
Post by VegasJerry
trillionsofdollars. Combined with Bush�s tax cuts, war spending was
amain
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
factor in blowing up the
Post by VegasJerry
deficit and spending the surplus accumulated under Clinton. Lawmakers now
use the deficit as an
Post by VegasJerry
excuse for inaction.
Post by VegasJerry
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch: While Bush was happy to help out the
banks
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
in the wake of the
Post by VegasJerry
housing crisis, he did little to assist struggling homeowners.Hope For
Homeowners, Bush�s proposal
Post by VegasJerry
to assist those struggling with their mortgages, was a colossal failure;
in
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
its first six months, it
Post by VegasJerry
helped just one homeowner renegotiate his mortgage. Many mortgage
holders �
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
15.7 million or, one in
Post by VegasJerry
three � are still underwater today.
Post by VegasJerry
5. Weakened Workers: Bush weakened worker safety regulations and
collective
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
bargaining rights under
Post by VegasJerry
the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and the
Department
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
of Labor throughout his
Post by VegasJerry
time in office. Today, corporations are back to making record profits,
while
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
workers� incomes are
Post by VegasJerry
falling.
Are Americans *really* stupid enough to both blame Bush for the
economy and also want to fire Obama for it and hire the guy who will
do more of what Bush did?
You work (or worked) in the same industry I do. Do you know the term
"what have you done for me lately?" What happened 4 years ago is
completely irrelevant.
How can they NOT be relevant? It's why we're where we at.
Post by VegasJerry
Hell, what happened a month ago is irrelevant.
It's relevant. It's why we're where we're at.
Post by VegasJerry
Bush is gone, out of the picture.
Duh!
Post by VegasJerry
Current issues all belong to Obama.
And how did the issues get there?
Post by VegasJerry
I know you liberals don't want to believe that,
I know you conservatives don't want to admit it was Bush and the Republicans
that got us where we
Post by VegasJerry
are.
Here in the real world it doesn't matter who caused the problem, it only
matters who is currently in charge and what they are doing to fix it.
Honestly.
For outcome, yes. But for blame as to why we HAVE the problem in the first place; we look to Bush and his administration.
Post by VegasJerry
It has been 3.5 years since Bush left.
How many years since the Twin Towers came down? Does the causation change with time?
Post by VegasJerry
My life isn't better, is yours?
Yes; but that's beside the point of why your situation was bad. Who was in charge when it went bad? If it had not gone bad, would your situation be good? As the 'situation' gets better, how can you blame the original bad situation on the guy that wasn't there, but is fixing it?


Jerry 'n Vegas
TruthSeeker
2012-06-17 16:28:56 UTC
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... Who was in charge when it went bad? If it had not gone bad, would your situation be good? As the 'situation' gets better, how can you blame the original bad situation on the guy that wasn't there, but is fixing it?
If a tornado comes through and damages your house, and the contractor
you hire to fix it is doing a lousy job, you don't say "That's OK, it
was the tornado's fault so I'll just pay this contractor more money to
keep fixing it." You get a new contractor.

Caveat: I don't buy into this whole partisan "It's all Bush's fault"
line. There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.

So the salient point remains: no matter who was "at fault," our
interest in is who will do the better job of fixing the problem. The
blame game is just bad partisan politics.
--
TruthSeeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."
VegasJerry
2012-06-17 17:25:59 UTC
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... Who was in charge when it went bad? If it had not gone
bad, would your situation be good? As the 'situation' gets
better, how can you blame the original bad situation on the
guy that wasn't there, but is fixing it?
If a tornado comes through….
WHOA! Kid, you're in WAY over your pointed little head. You first start by answering the above questions. (Which you couldn't because it would show you wrong before you began).
and damages your house, and the contractor
you hire to fix it is doing a lousy job, you don't say "That's OK, it
was the tornado's fault so I'll just pay this contractor more money to
keep fixing it." You get a new contractor.
Caveat: I don't buy into this whole
partisan "It's all Bush's fault" line.
So who did crash the system; couldn’t fix it; and left it for Obama?
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
So the salient point remains: no matter who was "at fault," our
interest in is who will do the better job of fixing the problem. The
blame game is just bad partisan politics.
But goes to who can fix it. The Republicans want to go back to what cause the crash. You think that would fix it? Bush tried tax cuts; but that didn't work. He tired a weak stimulus by sending us all a small check; that didn't work. He left office a loser.

Romney thinks cutting our Social Security; Medicare; increasing defense spending, and giving that to the rich in the form of bigger tax cuts will do it. They've already sent the bill to the Senate. We KNOW that trickle down will not do it. You think it will?

Jerry 'n Vegas
TruthSeeker
2012-06-17 20:08:30 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
So who did crash the system; couldn’t fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by TruthSeeker
So the salient point remains: no matter who was "at fault," our
interest in is who will do the better job of fixing the problem. The
blame game is just bad partisan politics.
But goes to who can fix it. The Republicans want to go back to what cause the crash. You think that would fix it? Bush tried tax cuts; but that didn't work. He tired a weak stimulus by sending us all a small check; that didn't work. He left office a loser.
Romney thinks cutting our Social Security; Medicare; increasing defense spending, and giving that to the rich in the form of bigger tax cuts will do it. They've already sent the bill to the Senate. We KNOW that trickle down will not do it. You think it will?
Jerry, I know that you have locked in that bone safe between your ears
the fantasy that only Republicans caused the mess, and that Obama is
fixing it, that all Republicans would do is go back to failed policies.
Nothing that I or anyone says to you, no facts that we give you, has
any chance of penetrating that thick wall of bone.
--
TruthSeeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."
Clave
2012-06-17 22:35:51 UTC
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Post by TruthSeeker
Post by VegasJerry
So who did crash the system; couldn’t fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.

The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.

"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.

Jim
bratt
2012-06-17 22:52:14 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
Post by VegasJerry
So who did crash the system; couldn’t fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by VegasJerry
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Jim
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid stepped up to stop a vote in the Senate
on the president’s measure, which had been requested by an obviously
satisfied Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, because both men knew what
the president cannot or will not admit— that he does not have enough votes
within his own party, let alone from Republicans, to pass the bill he’s
been hyping for weeks.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/05/obama-s-jobs-bill-vote-blocked-by-reid-over-lack-of-democratic-support.html


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Susan *awaiting confirmation* Bratt
Clave
2012-06-17 23:16:38 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.

Jim
brewmaster
2012-06-17 23:31:29 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies. Good
plan.

A person (Romney in this case) isn't his party. Maybe this one guy will
break away from his party bonds. Probably not, but we can hope. Obama is
a party automaton. Let's try a change. You can vote in Hillary in 4
years if Romney sucks.
Post by Clave
Jim
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Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Clave
2012-06-17 23:37:49 UTC
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Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.

Jim
brewmaster
2012-06-17 23:51:33 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.
Jim
He hasn't fixed ANYTHING yet.
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Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Clave
2012-06-18 00:05:56 UTC
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Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.
He hasn't fixed ANYTHING yet.
I didn't pick you as that much of a stooge.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
brewmaster
2012-06-18 00:10:15 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.
He hasn't fixed ANYTHING yet.
I didn't pick you as that much of a stooge.
Oh, wise guy ay? nyuk nyuk nyuk
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
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brewmaster
2012-06-18 00:14:41 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.
He hasn't fixed ANYTHING yet.
I didn't pick you as that much of a stooge.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

Ok, seriously now..

1. Passed Health Care Reform:

Make people buy in to private health care companies. This reform cost
everyone money, and didn't help.

2. Passed the Stimulus:

Wasn't big enough, and was spent on all the wrong things. Oh, you have a
crappy car? Here, have a free one on the US gummint.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform:

L O fucking L

4. Ended the War in Iraq:

Erm, nope, that was all set by Bush before Obama took office.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan:

Erm, nope. Afghanistan war escalated. Seriously. Where do you get this
shit from?
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Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Clave
2012-06-18 00:35:32 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.
He hasn't fixed ANYTHING yet.
I didn't pick you as that much of a stooge.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
Ok, seriously now..
Make people buy in to private health care companies. This reform cost
everyone money, and didn't help.
Horseshit. Most of it hasn't gone into effect yet, and it's already been
shown to be net deficit-reducing.

And you can piss and snipe at anything on that list you want, but the fact
remains that by pretty much any objective measure he's improved on Bush, a
return to whom would be collective insanity.

Jim
brewmaster
2012-06-18 08:53:50 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies.
Give me a fucking break. "He hasn't fixed everyting yet" is far from
discredited.
He hasn't fixed ANYTHING yet.
I didn't pick you as that much of a stooge.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
Post by Clave
Post by brewmaster
Ok, seriously now..
Make people buy in to private health care companies. This reform cost
everyone money, and didn't help.
Horseshit. Most of it hasn't gone into effect yet, and it's already been
shown to be net deficit-reducing.
And you can piss and snipe at anything on that list you want, but the fact
remains that by pretty much any objective measure he's improved on Bush, a
return to whom would be collective insanity.
Jim
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
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Clave
2012-06-18 09:38:11 UTC
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"brewmaster" <***@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message news:***@news.ezprovider.com...

<...>
Post by brewmaster
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?

Do you think he'd have the spine to cross the teabaggers on ANY issue? I
don't -- he parrots the last person he's talked to on any god-damned issue
there is. It's hard to believe he has *any* mind of his own, other than his
thirst for the power he obviously feels entitled to.

Jim
BillB
2012-06-18 14:33:51 UTC
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Post by Clave
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
Clave
2012-06-18 17:40:25 UTC
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Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
Yep -- tax cuts and deregulation.

Jim
Travel A
2012-06-18 21:22:32 UTC
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Se why Turd can only pretend n' post, and get get past the first
sentence of the documented facts.
BillB
2012-06-20 08:16:52 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
Yep -- tax cuts and deregulation.
There's more in there than tax cuts and deregulation. Not all his ideas
are bad. His tax policy is disastrous, but it's never going to come pass.

Unfortunately, re-electing Obama is biting off your nose to spite your
face. America just can't take another four years of Obama. He's been
made toxic by the racist right wing. You need a white Republican-type
person in office or the right will continue their de facto boycott of
the US economy. Scaring consumers into pulling back just a couple of
percent is all it takes -- not hard when you have the media penetration
the right has in print, internet, and radio. Have you ever heard so much
phony gloom and doom and fear mongering in all your life? You'd never
know they're talking about the wealthiest society in the history of
human civilization (made possible only by the very policies the right
rails against).
Clave
2012-06-20 08:22:54 UTC
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Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
Yep -- tax cuts and deregulation.
There's more in there than tax cuts and deregulation. Not all his ideas
are bad. His tax policy is disastrous, but it's never going to come pass.
Unfortunately, re-electing Obama is biting off your nose to spite your
face. America just can't take another four years of Obama. He's been made
toxic by the racist right wing...
That's quite simply horseshit. "The right won't work with him, so let's
give the right everything they want".

I'm glad you're Canadian.

Jim
VegasJerry
2012-06-20 13:37:42 UTC
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Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
Yep -- tax cuts and deregulation.
There's more in there than tax cuts and deregulation. Not all his ideas
are bad. His tax policy is disastrous, but it's never going to come pass.
Unfortunately, re-electing Obama is biting off your nose to spite your
face. America just can't take another four years of Obama.
Why not? "He saved us from a depression, pulled us from a recession, overhauled healthcare and saved the American auto industry." I have that statement on speed key. Why don't you memorized it; you can't argue it.
Post by BillB
He's been made toxic by the racist right wing.
How? Lying about him? Do you believe the lies?
Post by BillB
You need a white Republican-type person in office or….
Wait! It has to be white? Seems your racial undercurrent is coming to the surface. Was that some sort of subconscious, kneejerk, response?
Post by BillB
the right will continue their de facto boycott of
the US economy. Scaring consumers into pulling back just a couple of
percent is all it takes -- not hard when you have the media penetration
the right has in print, internet, and radio. Have you ever heard so much
phony gloom and doom and fear mongering in all your life?
Yea; about what would happen if we vote in Republicans. Look what happened when the Teabaggers were voted in. Promises of jobs turned into a reading of The Constitution and blocking all of President Obama's Jobs bills.


Jerry (White) 'n Vegas




You'd never
Post by BillB
know they're talking about the wealthiest society in the history of
human civilization (made possible only by the very policies the right
rails against).
Pepe Papon
2012-06-21 06:36:20 UTC
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Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Post by BillB
Post by Clave
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/BelieveInAmerica-PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth-Full.pdf
Yep -- tax cuts and deregulation.
There's more in there than tax cuts and deregulation. Not all his ideas
are bad. His tax policy is disastrous, but it's never going to come pass.
Unfortunately, re-electing Obama is biting off your nose to spite your
face. America just can't take another four years of Obama. He's been
made toxic by the racist right wing. You need a white Republican-type
person in office or the right will continue their de facto boycott of
the US economy. Scaring consumers into pulling back just a couple of
percent is all it takes -- not hard when you have the media penetration
the right has in print, internet, and radio. Have you ever heard so much
phony gloom and doom and fear mongering in all your life? You'd never
know they're talking about the wealthiest society in the history of
human civilization (made possible only by the very policies the right
rails against).
Whatever problems there might be with re-electing Obama, they will
still be outweighed by the benefit of keeping a Republican out of
office.

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Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
brewmaster
2012-06-18 14:46:27 UTC
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Post by Clave
<...>
Post by brewmaster
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
Do you think he'd have the spine to cross the teabaggers on ANY issue? I
don't -- he parrots the last person he's talked to on any god-damned issue
there is. It's hard to believe he has *any* mind of his own, other than his
thirst for the power he obviously feels entitled to.
Jim
Ok, so? The alternate is more Obama, who doesn't even bother to parrot
what he's told to say, cause he's too stupid to remember it all. He's as
much a stuffed shirt as Perot was. Mr. Obama, what is your plan to
improve the economy? I'll do what I need to do and what is necessary and
what I can get past the republicans. IOW, I have no fucking idea, I just
want to be king for 4 more years.
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Clave
2012-06-18 17:37:37 UTC
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Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
<...>
Post by brewmaster
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
Do you think he'd have the spine to cross the teabaggers on ANY issue? I
don't -- he parrots the last person he's talked to on any god-damned issue
there is. It's hard to believe he has *any* mind of his own, other than his
thirst for the power he obviously feels entitled to.
Jim
Ok, so? The alternate is more Obama, who doesn't even bother to parrot
what he's told to say, cause he's too stupid to remember it all...
You think you're smarter than Barack Obama.

That's the best grin I've had in a while, thanks.

Jim
Pepe Papon
2012-06-20 06:37:36 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:11 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
<...>
Post by brewmaster
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
Yes. More military spending.

And while he's cutting taxes and increasing spending, he's going to
reduce the deficit. He's a regular miracle worker, he is!

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
Clave
2012-06-20 06:46:08 UTC
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Post by Pepe Papon
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:11 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
<...>
Post by brewmaster
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
Yes. More military spending.
And while he's cutting taxes and increasing spending, he's going to
reduce the deficit. He's a regular miracle worker, he is!
Don't forget Paul Ryan's "Magic Loopholes" that pay for it all!!!

Jim
Pepe Papon
2012-06-21 06:40:17 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:46:08 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:38:11 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
<...>
Post by brewmaster
Please show how electing Romney would be a "return to Bush".
Are you fucking kidding me? Other than tax cuts and deregulation for
corporations and wealthy families, does he even *HAVE* an economic plan?
Yes. More military spending.
And while he's cutting taxes and increasing spending, he's going to
reduce the deficit. He's a regular miracle worker, he is!
Don't forget Paul Ryan's "Magic Loopholes" that pay for it all!!!
Romney has stated that he's going to streamline government. That's
how he's going to save money and reduce spending. And we should
certainly believe him because streamlining government is such a novel
idea that's never been promised before by a presidential candidate.
Other than all the ones who've said the same thing. Jimmy Carter, for
example.

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Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
Travel A
2012-06-18 20:56:10 UTC
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Clavey about Obama commie "care."

"Horseshit. Most of it hasn't gone into effect yet, and it's already
been shown to be net deficit-reducing."

I wrote:

Unfortunately for you, the CBO says the opposite.
VegasJerry
2012-06-18 20:42:17 UTC
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Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies. Good
plan.
Who "Tragically discredited" Obama policies? They saved us from a depression; pulled us from a recession; overhaule Healthcare and save the American auto industry. Where is hte "Tragically discredited?"
Post by brewmaster
A person (Romney in this case) isn't his party.
Yea, actually he is.
Post by brewmaster
Maybe this one guy will break away from his party bonds.
He can't. He need the reelection money. He's already swinging back to the right.
Post by brewmaster
Probably not, but we can hope.
Hope? You think it's better to elect Mitt and hope he doesn't the right thing?
Post by brewmaster
Obama is a party automaton.
Where did you copy that from? What does it mean? Did they tell you?
Post by brewmaster
Let's try a change.
From recovering?
Post by brewmaster
You can vote in Hillary in 4 years if Romney sucks.
Keep the guy that's saving our ass' not the one that want's to cut your Social Security; Medicare; take your Healthcare, and give it to the rich in even more tax cuts for the rich (and the Teabagger have already sent that very bill to the Senate).


Jerry 'n Vegas
Post by brewmaster
Post by Clave
Jim
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Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Travel A
2012-06-18 20:45:45 UTC
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Just check the economy and unemployment rate for the eight Bush years.

With Bush, functional. With Obama, dysfunctional.

Tax cuts with Bush, and especially with JFK and Ronald Reagan, not only
got the country out of economic trouble, but created a lasting surge of
economic growth and prosperity.
Pepe Papon
2012-06-20 06:47:48 UTC
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:31:29 -0700, "brewmaster"
Post by brewmaster
So, let's stick with the tragically discredited Obama-era policies. Good
plan.
That's nothing but a regurgitation of right-wing talking point
fiction. There are no tragically discredited Obama-era policies. The
worst Obama can be accused of is not cleaning up Bush's mess fast
enough.
Post by brewmaster
A person (Romney in this case) isn't his party. Maybe this one guy will
break away from his party bonds.
There's nothing whatsoever in his proposals to suggest even a remote
chance that he'll do that.
Post by brewmaster
Probably not, but we can hope. Obama is
a party automaton.
Content-free talking point.
Post by brewmaster
Let's try a change.
The change would be to go back to the same policies that caused the
mess in the first place. There's no logic at all in that.
Post by brewmaster
You can vote in Hillary in 4
years if Romney sucks.
And when Romney causes so much damage that 4 years isn't enough time
for Hillary to fix it,, you'll vote to go back, once again, to the
same policies that caused the mess to begin with.

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Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
da pickle
2012-06-20 13:53:09 UTC
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The worst Obama can be accused of is not cleaning up Bush's mess fast
enough.
This is a logically reasonable conclusion if you make the correct
assumptions.

A preexisting mess continued to become even messier during the Bush
administration and has become even messier during the Obama
administration. The cause of the "mess" can be assumed to have been
caused by the respective person who was or is president ... the question
might be, is it a reasonable assumption.

It might be more reasonable to have made better assumptions.

First, the whole idea that debt is not important likely started with our
only four term president. Even the assumption that HE was responsible
for everything that followed can be made ... but it would be as silly as
assuming that any one of the following presidents are responsible for
the MESS.

You get no argument from me that we are not in a mess.
Travel A
2012-06-20 22:39:23 UTC
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The best thing Romney can do is just point to Obama's record; Obama
certainly isn't doing it (chortle).
bratt
2012-06-17 23:58:19 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.

The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.

Bi-Partisan goes both ways.




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Clave
2012-06-18 00:08:03 UTC
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Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The premature vote was a GOP stunt, nothing more or less.

Jim
brewmaster
2012-06-18 00:08:23 UTC
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Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
Bi-Partisan goes both ways.
Susan susan susan, don't you understand? When the republicans block
something, it is because they are obsructionary assholes. When the dems
block something, it is because they can't get republican support. It is
ALWAYS the republican's fault. Always.
Post by bratt
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VegasJerry
2012-06-18 20:44:35 UTC
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Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.

Once again the GOP fooled sS

Jerry

SS: "Bi-Partisan goes both ways."

HEH
Clave
2012-06-18 21:02:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.

Jim
VegasJerry
2012-06-18 21:38:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
This is actually true. They have no comeback. When they check and find we're right, they're embarrassed. Yet they return to those that lie to them. (They keep watching FOX, even though they know they're being lied to). It reinforces them. It makes the feel better. It's like the behavior of a kidnapped person, befriending and actually defending their kidnapper. Remember the Patty Hearst Kidnapping and the SLA?

Jerry 'n Vegas
Clave
2012-06-18 22:03:24 UTC
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<...>
Post by VegasJerry
Post by Clave
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
This is actually true. They have no comeback. When they
check and find we're right, they're embarrassed. Yet they
return to those that lie to them. (They keep watching FOX,
even though they know they're being lied to). It reinforces
them. It makes the feel better. It's like the behavior of
a kidnapped person, befriending and actually defending
their kidnapper. Remember the Patty Hearst Kidnapping and
the SLA?
Stockholm Syndrome, and it's not the first time the comparison's been made.

Jim
bratt
2012-06-18 22:22:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
Expand your horizons clavie - read beyond the email.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/25/facebook-posts/blog-post-says-gop-has-sponsored-zero-job-creation/


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VegasJerry
2012-06-18 22:29:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
Expand your horizons clavie - read beyond the email.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/25/facebook-posts/blog-post-says-gop-has-sponsored-zero-job-creation/
See that, Clave? A perfect example. A number of us have show sS where she was wrong. All she could do was refuse to answer questions, make phony statement and revert to people and web sites that support her, even when she knows she; and they; are wrong.


Jerry 'n Vegas
bratt
2012-06-18 22:56:10 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Expand your horizons clavie - read beyond the email.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/25/facebook-posts/blog-post-says-gop-has-sponsored-zero-job-creation/
Post by VegasJerry
See that, Clave? A perfect example. A number of us have show sS where she
was wrong. All she could
Post by VegasJerry
do was refuse to answer questions, make phony statement and revert to people
and web sites that
Post by VegasJerry
support her, even when she knows she; and they; are wrong.
Jerry 'n Vegas
LOL politifact is just a website?


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Clave
2012-06-18 22:51:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
Expand your horizons clavie - read beyond the email.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/25/facebook-posts/blog-post-says-gop-has-sponsored-zero-job-creation/
***@politifact

We know that the GOP calls them "jobs bills".

Jim
bratt
2012-06-18 22:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are bills to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
Expand your horizons clavie - read beyond the email.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/25/facebook-posts/blog-post-says-gop-has-sponsored-zero-job-creation/
Post by Clave
We know that the GOP calls them "jobs bills".
Jim
Don't bother to read it clavie - Obama's "jobs bills" don't show up either.


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Clave
2012-06-18 23:09:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by VegasJerry
Post by bratt
Post by Clave
Post by Clave
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn't fix it; and left it for
Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go
around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
This is hilarious.
The Republican party bends over backwards to keep him from doing
anything,
then pisses and moans because he hasn't done enough.
"Bag of assholes" barely scrapes the surface of today's GOP.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning
to
the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
Jim
He said it to save the POTUS the embarrassment of his own party voting
against it - a nice loyal little rabbit.
The GOP has put many jobs bills up which have all been overlooked.
They are not jobs bills. FOX and Limbaugh lied to you. They are
bills
to
Deregulate, cut EPA rules and give more tax cuts to the rich.
These beanbags don't care. They LIKE being lied to.
Jim
Expand your horizons clavie - read beyond the email.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/25/facebook-posts/blog-post-says-gop-has-sponsored-zero-job-creation/
Post by Clave
We know that the GOP calls them "jobs bills".
Jim
Don't bother to read it clavie - Obama's "jobs bills" don't show up either.
I read it, just for fun. "Politifact" shot their credibility to hell some
time ago and have been worth little more than your average media
stenographer since.

Find me some GOP "jobs bills" that aren't based on wealthy/corporate tax
cuts and deregulation.

Jim
Pepe Papon
2012-06-20 06:53:56 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:29 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Find me some GOP "jobs bills" that aren't based on wealthy/corporate tax
cuts and deregulation.
They want to make it easier to hire foreigners. That'll create jobs.
For foreigners.

They actually have the gall to list this as a key component of their
jobs plan.

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
da pickle
2012-06-20 13:55:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
They want to make it easier to hire foreigners. That'll create jobs.
For foreigners.
Is the new Dream-Act-Lite a hidden way to create jobs for illegal
aliens? Damn republicans.
Pepe Papon
2012-06-21 06:45:36 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:55:32 -0500, da pickle
Post by da pickle
Post by Pepe Papon
They want to make it easier to hire foreigners. That'll create jobs.
For foreigners.
Is the new Dream-Act-Lite a hidden way to create jobs for illegal
aliens? Damn republicans.
The Dream Act can reasonably be viewed as a matter of fairness and
justice. Obama defends it as the right thing to do, and it's hard to
dispute that claim.

The Republican plan for hiring foreigners can't be justified in any
such manner. It's strictly a ploy to let companies cut costs at the
expense of American workers.

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
da pickle
2012-06-21 11:03:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:55:32 -0500, da pickle
Post by da pickle
Post by Pepe Papon
They want to make it easier to hire foreigners. That'll create jobs.
For foreigners.
Is the new Dream-Act-Lite a hidden way to create jobs for illegal
aliens? Damn republicans.
The Dream Act can reasonably be viewed as a matter of fairness and
justice. Obama defends it as the right thing to do, and it's hard to
dispute that claim.
The Republican plan for hiring foreigners can't be justified in any
such manner. It's strictly a ploy to let companies cut costs at the
expense of American workers.
I know you have difficulty with finding meaning in certain words, Pepe.
My point ... what I was saying was a clever reference to "illegal
aliens" ... I admit that my cleverness is sometimes too clever.

The Republicans are NOT trying to allow "illegal aliens" jobs that seem
to be going vacant for want of Americans who are qualified ... these are
trained aliens that want to come and work in jobs that Americans do not
seem to be qualified to do.

The "illegal aliens" that are going to be allowed (in your words) to
take the jobs of "American workers" are the ones that have been given
the green light by the current administration.

You have heard about that, haven't you?
Pepe Papon
2012-06-24 05:54:05 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:03:05 -0500, da pickle
Post by da pickle
Post by Pepe Papon
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:55:32 -0500, da pickle
Post by da pickle
Post by Pepe Papon
They want to make it easier to hire foreigners. That'll create jobs.
For foreigners.
Is the new Dream-Act-Lite a hidden way to create jobs for illegal
aliens? Damn republicans.
The Dream Act can reasonably be viewed as a matter of fairness and
justice. Obama defends it as the right thing to do, and it's hard to
dispute that claim.
The Republican plan for hiring foreigners can't be justified in any
such manner. It's strictly a ploy to let companies cut costs at the
expense of American workers.
I know you have difficulty with finding meaning in certain words, Pepe.
My point ... what I was saying was a clever reference to "illegal
aliens" ... I admit that my cleverness is sometimes too clever.
The Republicans are NOT trying to allow "illegal aliens" jobs that seem
to be going vacant for want of Americans who are qualified ... these are
trained aliens that want to come and work in jobs that Americans do not
seem to be qualified to do.
You're swallowing the propaganda hook, line, and sinker. There's no
shortage of qualified American workers. There are qualified American
workers who can't find jobs. There's a whole industry out there of
training businesses how to circumvent currently law to hire cheaper
foreign workers over qualified American workers.
Post by da pickle
The "illegal aliens" that are going to be allowed (in your words) to
take the jobs of "American workers" are the ones that have been given
the green light by the current administration.
You have heard about that, haven't you?
I already addressed the Dream Act. If you missed it, go back and
re-read the paragraph I wrote that starts with the words, "The Dream
Act..."


--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
Truthseeker
2012-06-18 16:34:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
What bullshit. The Republicans have made many proposals, all of which
Reid and the Democrats in the Senate block. Then they accuse the
Republicans of causing the gridlock.

In 2008/2009 Obama promised to seek compromise and work with
Republicans. Then it quickly became apparent that "compromise" means to
Obama, "You say what you want, then I say what I want, then we all
compromise by doing what I want." When Republicans balk at that Clave
and Jerry drink the kool-aid and blame them.
--
Truthseeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."
Clave
2012-06-18 17:38:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Truthseeker
Post by Clave
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
What bullshit. The Republicans have made many proposals, all of which
Reid and the Democrats in the Senate block.
All of which are tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, or
thinly-disguised attempts to dismantle social programs.

Jim
da pickle
2012-06-18 19:58:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Truthseeker
Post by Clave
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
Changes nothing. The GOP offers no alternative other than returning to the
tragically discredited Bush-era policies.
What bullshit. The Republicans have made many proposals, all of which
Reid and the Democrats in the Senate block. Then they accuse the
Republicans of causing the gridlock.
In 2008/2009 Obama promised to seek compromise and work with
Republicans. Then it quickly became apparent that "compromise" means to
Obama, "You say what you want, then I say what I want, then we all
compromise by doing what I want." When Republicans balk at that Clave
and Jerry drink the kool-aid and blame them.
No good comes from claving.
Truthseeker
2012-06-18 20:26:46 UTC
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Post by da pickle
No good comes from claving.
I think I just found a truth.
--
Truthseeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."
da pickle
2012-06-18 21:37:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Truthseeker
Post by da pickle
No good comes from claving.
I think I just found a truth.
I admit that sometimes I just cannot help myself and I respond, but I
always feel a little ... you know ... after I do it.
VegasJerry
2012-06-18 20:31:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by TruthSeeker
So who did crash the system; couldn�t fix it; and left it for Obama?
Read on. The answer is in the very next sentence.
No, it wasn't there. Just to clue you in, it was Bush and his GOP that crashed it. Even the GOP doesn't argue against that.
Post by TruthSeeker
Post by TruthSeeker
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Too bad the guy we "left it to" can't handle the job.
Looks like you need to be clued in, again: President Obama saved us from a depression; pulled us from Bush's recession, overhauled healthcare and saved the American auto industry. To have somebody like you say Obama "can't handle the job" just shows your desperation.
Post by TruthSeeker
Post by TruthSeeker
So the salient point remains: no matter who was "at fault," our
interest in is who will do the better job of fixing the problem. The
blame game is just bad partisan politics.
But goes to who can fix it. The Republicans want to go back to what cause the crash. You think that would fix it? Bush tried tax cuts; but that didn't work. He tired a weak stimulus by sending us all a small check; that didn't work. He left office a loser.
Romney thinks cutting our Social Security; Medicare; increasing defense spending, and giving that to the rich in the form of bigger tax cuts will do it. They've already sent the bill to the Senate. We KNOW that trickle down will not do it. You think it will?
Jerry, I know that you have locked in that….
You don't know shit, kid; all I've been doing is clueing you in to what you obviously didn't know.


Jerry 'n Vegas
Post by TruthSeeker
the fantasy that only Republicans caused the mess, and that Obama is
fixing it, that all Republicans would do is go back to failed policies.
Nothing that I or anyone says to you, no facts that we give you, has
any chance of penetrating that thick wall of bone.
--
TruthSeeker
"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."
brewmaster
2012-06-17 20:19:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by VegasJerry
... Who was in charge when it went bad? If it had not gone
bad, would your situation be good? As the 'situation' gets
better, how can you blame the original bad situation on the
guy that wasn't there, but is fixing it?
If a tornado comes through….
WHOA! Kid, you're in WAY over your pointed little head. You first start by
answering the above
Post by VegasJerry
questions. (Which you couldn't because it would show you wrong before you
began).
Post by VegasJerry
and damages your house, and the contractor
you hire to fix it is doing a lousy job, you don't say "That's OK, it
was the tornado's fault so I'll just pay this contractor more money to
keep fixing it." You get a new contractor.
Caveat: I don't buy into this whole
partisan "It's all Bush's fault" line.
So who did crash the system; couldn’t fix it; and left it for Obama?
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
So the salient point remains: no matter who was "at fault," our
interest in is who will do the better job of fixing the problem. The
blame game is just bad partisan politics.
But goes to who can fix it. The Republicans want to go back to what cause
the crash. You think that
Post by VegasJerry
would fix it? Bush tried tax cuts; but that didn't work. He tired a weak
stimulus by sending us all
Post by VegasJerry
a small check; that didn't work. He left office a loser.
Romney thinks cutting our Social Security; Medicare; increasing defense
spending, and giving that to
Post by VegasJerry
the rich in the form of bigger tax cuts will do it. They've already sent the
bill to the Senate. We
Post by VegasJerry
KNOW that trickle down will not do it. You think it will?
Jerry 'n Vegas
I don't care who's fault anything was. What is past is past. Look to the
future. I see no indication that Romney intends to be Bush.
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Clave
2012-06-17 22:37:28 UTC
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<...>
Post by brewmaster
I don't care who's fault anything was. What is past is past. Look to the
future. I see no indication that Romney intends to be Bush.
GMAFB.

He's going to want two terms, right? That AT LEAST means that for four
years he's going to be doing whatever Norquist and the Teabaggers want him
to do.

Jim
VegasJerry
2012-06-18 20:33:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by VegasJerry
Post by VegasJerry
... Who was in charge when it went bad? If it had not gone
bad, would your situation be good? As the 'situation' gets
better, how can you blame the original bad situation on the
guy that wasn't there, but is fixing it?
If a tornado comes through�.
WHOA! Kid, you're in WAY over your pointed little head. You first start by
answering the above
Post by VegasJerry
questions. (Which you couldn't because it would show you wrong before you
began).
Post by VegasJerry
and damages your house, and the contractor
you hire to fix it is doing a lousy job, you don't say "That's OK, it
was the tornado's fault so I'll just pay this contractor more money to
keep fixing it." You get a new contractor.
Caveat: I don't buy into this whole
partisan "It's all Bush's fault" line.
So who did crash the system; couldn�t fix it; and left it for Obama?
There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
So the salient point remains: no matter who was "at fault," our
interest in is who will do the better job of fixing the problem. The
blame game is just bad partisan politics.
But goes to who can fix it. The Republicans want to go back to what cause
the crash. You think that
Post by VegasJerry
would fix it? Bush tried tax cuts; but that didn't work. He tired a weak
stimulus by sending us all
Post by VegasJerry
a small check; that didn't work. He left office a loser.
Romney thinks cutting our Social Security; Medicare; increasing defense
spending, and giving that to
Post by VegasJerry
the rich in the form of bigger tax cuts will do it. They've already sent the
bill to the Senate. We
Post by VegasJerry
KNOW that trickle down will not do it. You think it will?
Jerry 'n Vegas
I don't care who's fault anything was.
Really?
Post by VegasJerry
What is past is past. Look to the
future. I see no indication that Romney intends to be Bush.
He plans on doing the very same thing. How do you not see that as 'being Bush?"

Jerry
Post by VegasJerry
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Travel A
2012-06-17 20:30:35 UTC
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"Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?"


Yes, the economy was very good under the Bush Administration, and the
Bush Tax Cuts was a major reson why.

A Bush economic policy without the big spending would put the country
back in good shape.

The "Bush is to blame for the recession" mantra is another "big lie"
that the left has gotten away with.

Bush was in office for eight years and the economy was good, with low
unemployment and healthy economic indicators.

The current bad economy is due to the financal crisis, brought-on by the
Democrats' scam of forced home ownership for the grossly unqualified.

Bush was practically packing to leave the White House and retire when
the financial crisis hit just before the 2008 general election. After
eight years of a good economy under Bush, to blame Bush economic
-policies- for something that the Democrats and Wall Street/Fanny-Freddy
created is ridiculous.

No, Bush didn't stop the Democrats sub prime loan scam, and he did waste
a budget surplus that was engineered by Newt and finally signed by
Clinton, but the basic Bush policies of tax cuts and the easing of
government regulations sprawl was sound enough. Nowhere near as good as
a real conservative would do, but light-years beyond the ruinous,
disastrous Obama "policies." Which obviously has not only prevented an
economic recovery, but has made the situation much worse.
Dutch
2012-06-17 20:47:15 UTC
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Post by Travel A
"Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?"
Yes, the economy was very good under the Bush Administration, and the
Bush Tax Cuts was a major reson why.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Travel A
2012-06-17 21:11:18 UTC
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Ah! there's a Canadian baboon.
Dutch
2012-06-17 23:43:30 UTC
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Post by Travel A
Ah! there's a Canadian baboon.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
brewmaster
2012-06-17 23:53:09 UTC
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Post by Dutch
Post by Travel A
Ah! there's a Canadian baboon.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
aka Canadian for "duh, what?"
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Travel A
2012-06-18 20:49:36 UTC
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Re: Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?
Group: rec.gambling.poker
Date: Sun, Jun 17, 2012, 1:47pm
From: Dutch <***@email.com>

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!"


I wrote:

Ah! there's a Canadian baboon now"
VegasJerry
2012-06-18 20:35:06 UTC
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Post by Travel A
"Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?"
Yes, the economy was very good under the Bush Administration
See why it's useless to to read past even the first paragraph of a "Travel" post?


Jerry 'n Vegas








, and the
Post by Travel A
Bush Tax Cuts was a major reson why.
A Bush economic policy without the big spending would put the country
back in good shape.
The "Bush is to blame for the recession" mantra is another "big lie"
that the left has gotten away with.
Bush was in office for eight years and the economy was good, with low
unemployment and healthy economic indicators.
The current bad economy is due to the financal crisis, brought-on by the
Democrats' scam of forced home ownership for the grossly unqualified.
Bush was practically packing to leave the White House and retire when
the financial crisis hit just before the 2008 general election. After
eight years of a good economy under Bush, to blame Bush economic
-policies- for something that the Democrats and Wall Street/Fanny-Freddy
created is ridiculous.
No, Bush didn't stop the Democrats sub prime loan scam, and he did waste
a budget surplus that was engineered by Newt and finally signed by
Clinton, but the basic Bush policies of tax cuts and the easing of
government regulations sprawl was sound enough. Nowhere near as good as
a real conservative would do, but light-years beyond the ruinous,
disastrous Obama "policies." Which obviously has not only prevented an
economic recovery, but has made the situation much worse.
Clave
2012-06-17 22:32:55 UTC
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Post by TruthSeeker
... Who was in charge when it went bad? If it had not gone bad, would
your situation be good? As the 'situation' gets better, how can you blame
the original bad situation on the guy that wasn't there, but is fixing
it?
If a tornado comes through and damages your house, and the contractor
you hire to fix it is doing a lousy job, you don't say "That's OK, it
was the tornado's fault so I'll just pay this contractor more money to
keep fixing it." You get a new contractor.
Caveat: I don't buy into this whole partisan "It's all Bush's fault"
line. There were many factors at work and plenty of blame to go around,
on both parties.
Funny how pretty much everyone who espouses the "there's no difference" line
turns out to be a GOP apologist.

Jim
Pepe Papon
2012-06-19 07:06:01 UTC
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:45:52 -0700, "brewmaster"
Post by brewmaster
Post by Pepe Papon
Are Americans *really* stupid enough to both blame Bush for the
economy and also want to fire Obama for it and hire the guy who will
do more of what Bush did?
You work (or worked) in the same industry I do. Do you know the term
"what have you done for me lately?" What happened 4 years ago is
completely irrelevant. Hell, what happened a month ago is irrelevant.
Bush is gone, out of the picture. Current issues all belong to Obama. I
know you liberals don't want to believe that, but that is the fact.
Independents will decide this election, and they aren't "but Bushing".
That completely misses the point. Why would anyone expect that we
can fix the economy by going back to doing the same thing that broke
it in the first place?

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
Travel A
2012-06-19 22:34:27 UTC
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Poupon blithered:

"Why would anyone expect that we can fix the economy by going back to
doing the same thing that broke it in the first place?"

I wrote:
Right, and that would be: going back to the Democrats' sub-prime loan
scam that triggered the collapse of the world-wide credit markets.

And, Turd, corporate tax cuts are good, not bad. The U.S. has almost the
highest corporate tax rates in the world, higher than full-blown
Euro-socialist countries. And, of course, Socialism has saved Greece and
all those countries from "The Great Depression," right (Chortle)?
VegasJerry
2012-06-19 22:44:13 UTC
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Post by Travel A
"Why would anyone expect that we can fix the economy by going back to
doing the same thing that broke it in the first place?"
Right, and that would be: going back to the Democrats' sub-prime loan
scam that triggered the collapse of the world-wide credit markets.
How embarrassing for you. A Republican deregulated Wall Street immorally rates AAA where it should be CCC; then bets against their own clients; and you're so stupid you believe it's was the Democrats? Hell, even the GOP hasn't tried that.

What a fool you are.


Jerry 'n Vegas
Travel A
2012-06-20 22:24:42 UTC
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Re: Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?
Group: rec.gambling.poker
Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2012, 3:44pm
From: VegasJerry <***@cox.net>


On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:34:27 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:

Poupon blithered:
"Why would anyone expect that we can fix the economy by going back to
doing the same thing that broke it in the first place?"

I wrote:
Right, and that would be: going back to the Democrats' sub-prime loan
scam that triggered the collapse of the world-wide credit markets.


How embarrassing for you. A Republican deregulated Wall Street immorally
rates AAA where it should be CCC; then bets against their own clients;
and you're so stupid you believe it's was the Democrats? Hell, even the
GOP hasn't tried that.
What a fool you are.


Jerry 'n Vegas

.....................................................

I wrote:
Lol, you're babbling out of control. What else can you do when you have
zero understanding of the finacial crisis.

Don't make me post my comprehensive financial crisis essay again and
make a complete fool of you.
Travel A
2012-06-20 22:35:24 UTC
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Discussrec


Poupon blithered:
"Why would anyone expect that we can fix the economy by going back to
doing the same thing that broke it in the first place?"

I wrote:
Right, and that would be: going back to the Democrats' sub-prime loan
scam that triggered the collapse of the world-wide credit markets.

And, Turd, corporate tax cuts are good, not bad. The U.S. has almost the
highest corporate tax rates in the world, higher than full-blown
Euro-socialist countries. And, of course, Socialism has saved Greece and
all those countries from "The Great Depression," right (Chortle)?
Edward A. Falk
2012-06-20 02:33:21 UTC
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Post by Pepe Papon
That completely misses the point. Why would anyone expect that we
can fix the economy by going back to doing the same thing that broke
it in the first place?
The people are angry, and angry voters do the only thing they
*can* do -- vote the incumbents out of office. The Democrats'
best strategy at this point is to make sure that the voters
understand that Romney would be Bush III.
--
-Ed Falk, ***@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
mo_ntresor
2012-06-20 14:20:40 UTC
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Post by Edward A. Falk
Post by Pepe Papon
That completely misses the point. Why would anyone expect that we
can fix the economy by going back to doing the same thing that broke
it in the first place?
The people are angry, and angry voters do the only thing they
*can* do -- vote the incumbents out of office. The Democrats'
best strategy at this point is to make sure that the voters
understand that Romney would be Bush III.
lying to get elected? that never works!

mo_ntresor
Pepe Papon
2012-06-21 06:47:51 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:20:40 -0700, "mo_ntresor"
Post by mo_ntresor
Post by Edward A. Falk
Post by Pepe Papon
That completely misses the point. Why would anyone expect that we
can fix the economy by going back to doing the same thing that broke
it in the first place?
The people are angry, and angry voters do the only thing they
*can* do -- vote the incumbents out of office. The Democrats'
best strategy at this point is to make sure that the voters
understand that Romney would be Bush III.
lying to get elected? that never works!
It's working for Romney so far.

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
~M~
2012-06-18 01:29:17 UTC
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Post by VegasJerry
Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?
Jun 14, 2012 | By ThinkProgress War Room
Back to Bush, Only Much Worse?
That's a Hell of a campaign strategy. "Don't worry about what I did, just
worry about what my predecessor did, and the next guy could be worse."

Bush (either of them) was a horrible president. There is no evidence that
either of them, or any other president ever, was worse than Obama. If there
was, Obama could run on his own merit.
--
"The less intelligent you are, the more susceptible you are to propaganda"
- Jerry (he stupid) 'n Vegas, Master of Irony 2/5/2012
brewmaster
2012-06-18 08:58:35 UTC
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Post by ~M~
Post by VegasJerry
Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?
Jun 14, 2012 | By ThinkProgress War Room
Back to Bush, Only Much Worse?
That's a Hell of a campaign strategy. "Don't worry about what I did, just
worry about what my predecessor did, and the next guy could be worse."
Bush (either of them) was a horrible president. There is no evidence that
either of them, or any other president ever, was worse than Obama. If there
was, Obama could run on his own merit.
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
Post by ~M~
--
"The less intelligent you are, the more susceptible you are to propaganda"
- Jerry (he stupid) 'n Vegas, Master of Irony 2/5/2012
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
BTSinAustin
2012-06-18 20:43:27 UTC
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Post by brewmaster
Post by ~M~
Post by VegasJerry
Do You Want the Bush Agenda, Just Updated?
Jun 14, 2012 | By ThinkProgress War Room
Back to Bush, Only Much Worse?
That's a Hell of a campaign strategy. "Don't worry about what I did, just
worry about what my predecessor did, and the next guy could be worse."
Bush (either of them) was a horrible president. There is no evidence that
either of them, or any other president ever, was worse than Obama. If there
was, Obama could run on his own merit.
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
Post by ~M~
--
"The less intelligent you are, the more susceptible you are to propaganda"
- Jerry (he stupid) 'n Vegas, Master of Irony 2/5/2012
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
41 just didn't seem that into us. Plus that whole read my lips thing.

Brian "The Truth" Spencer
~M~
2012-06-20 22:47:05 UTC
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Post by brewmaster
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
He was a bad enough president to get Clinton elected.
--
"The less intelligent you are, the more susceptible you are to propaganda"
- Jerry (he stupid) 'n Vegas, Master of Irony 2/5/2012
bratt
2012-06-21 00:41:41 UTC
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Post by ~M~
Post by brewmaster
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
He was a bad enough president to get Clinton elected.
Wasn't "read my lips" the reason he wasn't re-elected?


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Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP
Adam Russell
2012-06-21 01:37:40 UTC
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Post by bratt
Post by ~M~
Post by brewmaster
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
He was a bad enough president to get Clinton elected.
Wasn't "read my lips" the reason he wasn't re-elected?
I remember the saying as "It's the economy, stupid". No offense, but
that was the quote.
Pepe Papon
2012-06-21 06:49:44 UTC
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:37:40 -0700, Adam Russell
Post by Adam Russell
Post by bratt
Post by ~M~
Post by brewmaster
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
He was a bad enough president to get Clinton elected.
Wasn't "read my lips" the reason he wasn't re-elected?
I remember the saying as "It's the economy, stupid". No offense, but
that was the quote.
Two different quotes. "Read my lips" was the most cited Bush 1 quote.

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
brewmaster
2012-06-21 14:21:03 UTC
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Post by Pepe Papon
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:37:40 -0700, Adam Russell
Post by Adam Russell
Post by bratt
Post by ~M~
Post by brewmaster
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even Clinton
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
He was a bad enough president to get Clinton elected.
Wasn't "read my lips" the reason he wasn't re-elected?
I remember the saying as "It's the economy, stupid". No offense, but
that was the quote.
Two different quotes. "Read my lips" was the most cited Bush 1 quote.
--
Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
"I don't like broccoli, I've never liked broccoli, and now that I'm
president I'm not going to eat any more broccoli."
--
Alan "The Hope" Gilbert
Pepe Papon
2012-06-24 05:54:48 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:21:03 -0700, "brewmaster"
Post by VegasJerry
Post by Pepe Papon
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:37:40 -0700, Adam Russell
Post by Adam Russell
Post by bratt
Post by ~M~
Post by brewmaster
Bush 41 was NOT a horrible president, where do you get that? Even
Clinton
Post by Pepe Papon
Post by Adam Russell
Post by bratt
Post by ~M~
Post by brewmaster
has admitted that the boom during his hears was possible because of the
groundwork laid by 41.
He was a bad enough president to get Clinton elected.
Wasn't "read my lips" the reason he wasn't re-elected?
I remember the saying as "It's the economy, stupid". No offense, but
that was the quote.
Two different quotes. "Read my lips" was the most cited Bush 1 quote.
--
Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
"I don't like broccoli, I've never liked broccoli, and now that I'm
president I'm not going to eat any more broccoli."
The runner-up.

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon

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