Post by Clave
Post by Alim Nassor
The American military has actually attacked and killed American
citizens on American soil...
"Attacked and killed" is rather an overstatement there, yah?
If you want "Attacked and killed," there's little reason to look further
into the past than Kent State.
What overstatement are you talking about. Casualties estimates range
from 4 to "numerous. I don't think there has ever been an official
count. When the Army uses tanks and cavalry against citizens, and
burns out their camp, that qualifies as attacked and killed.
Your interpretation of the event is pretty fucking one-sided.
Not at all. The veterans were unarmed. When you use tanks and
cavalry against unarmed protesters and burn out their camp without
regard to the safety of wives and children and people die, then my
interpretation is correct.
Here is wha happened according to Wikipedia.
On July 28, U.S. Attorney General Mitchell ordered the veterans
removed from all government property. Washington police met with
resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were killed. President
Hoover then ordered the army to clear out the veterans. The infantry
and cavalry were supported by six tanks, and commanded by Army Chief
of Staff General Douglas MacArthur. General, later President, Dwight
D. Eisenhower was his liaison with Washington police, and Major George
Patton led the cavalry. The Bonus Army, their wives and children were
driven out with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting
agent, and their shelters and belongings burned. Two more of the
veterans, and an unknown number of babies and children, died (accounts
range from one to "a number" of casualties).
Here is another description.
Hoover, upset by the continued presence of the Bonus Marchers, now had
the excuse he was looking for to expel them from the capital. He
directed Secretary Hurley to unleash MacArthur, who received the
following instruction: 'You will have United States troops proceed
immediately to the scene of the disorder. Surround the affected area
and clear it without delay. Any women and children should be accorded
every consideration and kindness. Use all humanity consistent with the
execution of this order.'
Not surprisingly, MacArthur now executed his orders in a manner
seemingly designed to maximize media attention. In a highly unusual
but characteristic decision — one purportedly against the advice of
his aide, 42-year-old Major Dwight Eisenhower — he chose to oversee
the operations in the field with the troops. Military protocol called
for a commanding officer to remain at headquarters. This was
especially true for MacArthur, whose post was administrative rather
than operational. So while he charged General Perry Miles with
carrying out the eviction, MacArthur assumed the real responsibility.
Although no other situation offers an exact comparison, MacArthur's
action was as if General Maxwell Taylor, the head of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff in 1963, had led National Guard troops to the University of
Alabama to confront Alabama Governor George Wallace.
Having driven the veterans from the downtown area, MacArthur had
fulfilled his mission. But whether his blood was up, or he merely
sensed a need to inflict a coup de grâce against the purported
Communist element — an enemy he considered more insidious than
disgruntled veterans — MacArthur did not rest on his laurels. He
ordered his troops to advance upon the 11th Street bridge leading to
Anacostia Flats. Someone, waving a white shirt as a flag of truce,
came racing across to plea for time to evacuate the women and
children. MacArthur granted an hour's reprieve.
Though accounts differ, the president now seemed suddenly to exhibit
an untimely case of nerves. Fearing repercussions, he twice sent word
that the Army was not to cross the bridge. MacArthur refused to
listen, saying he hadn't time to be bothered by people coming down and
pretending to bring orders. He sent the troops across against explicit
instructions. Using more gas, the soldiers moved into Bonus City. Its
occupants fled in terror, refugees rousted from their pitiful camp.
'One of the soldiers threw a bomb,' said one woman hiding in a nearby
house with her family. '…[W]e all began to cry. We got wet towels and
put them over the faces of the children. About half an hour later my
baby began to vomit. I took her outside in the air and she vomited
again. Next day she began to turn black and blue and we took her to
the hospital.' Either veterans or soldiers torched the entire area —
no one knows for sure. In the confusion, one baby was left behind,
dead from gas inhalation.
Endeavoring to eliminate any doubt as to his motives, MacArthur next
conducted an impromptu press conference — a job more appropriately
left to civilian authorities. The conference allowed the general to
expound on the claim that Reds had concocted the riot, the president's
safety was at stake, and the government was threatened with
insurrection. Describing the mob, MacArthur said: 'It was animated by
the essence of revolution. They had come to the conclusion, beyond a
shadow of a doubt, that they were about to take over in some arbitrary
way either the direct control of the government or else to control it
by indirect methods. It is my opinion that had the president let it go
on another week the institutions of our government would have been
very severely threatened.' It was a masterful performance. In praising
the president and war secretary, MacArthur nearly absolved himself of
responsibility — perhaps a calculated move.
Hoover watched the red glow of the bonfire at Anacostia Flats from a
White House window. If he had second thoughts, he didn't include them
in his record of the event; and in any case, it was too late.
MacArthur's boldness had boxed him into a corner. The president's best
option now was to vigorously support the general.
Tell me again how my interpretation is "one sided"