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Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.gambling.poker.moderated moderated
From: David E. Smith ***@technopagan.org
Date: 5/7/2004 12:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group rec.gambling.poker.moderated
rec.gambling.poker.moderated Poker discussion group. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 2004.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Rich McComas <***@holdemsecrets.com>
Votetaker: David E. Smith <***@technopagan.org>
This group is proposed as a moderated global forum for the discussion of
poker-related topics, such as but not limited to, strategies, news,
events, personalities, resources, venues, culture, education and
information. The group is a moderated subgroup of rec.gambling.poker
(RGP), which has averaged more than 750 posts per day so far in 2004,
and was, in February 2004, the third largest highest volume newsgroup in
the entire Big 8 newsgroup hierarchy.
A moderated group is required as RGP is at risk of losing the interest
of participants who cannot afford to wade through more than 20,000 posts
per month, much of which are repetitive, off-topic or
advertising-oriented. The new moderated group will be open to all
levels of poker players, but is expected to be more attractive to
experienced players who tend to use and understand poker-specific
vocabulary and who have limited time to participate in newsgroups.
The growth of RGP is explosive, averaging 288 posts/day in 2002, 456
posts/day in 2003, and 757 posts/day through March of 2004. Due to the
strong loyalties of many RGP posters, and the availability of numerous
RGP web front-ends, it is unlikely that the new moderated group would
become the primary poker newsgroup. If the moderated group attracts
5-10% of the RGP audience, then the group would receive about 40-80
submissions per day.
rec.gambling.poker.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion
of poker strategies, news, events, personalities, resources, venues,
culture, education and information.
1) Posts must be on poker-related topics such as, but not limited to,
strategies, news, events, personalities, resources, culture, venues,
education and information.
2) Posts which obviously have the primary intent of trolling or flaming
or stalking or attacking the character of another poster will be
rejected. Posters must not include private information (like phone
numbers, private email addresses, SSN, place of employment, User ID,
confidential emails, etc) of other parties. Flooding or bombing the
newsgroup or any other form of net abuse will result in the poster being
3) Posts may include clearly described links to websites or personal
pages that contain relevant and on-topic information. Signatures may be
up to four lines long and of customary width. Posts that are, in the
opinion of the moderator, primarily intended to solicit business, sell a
product, or further some commercial purpose, will be rejected.
4) Posting of binary file attachments is restricted. When possible,
very large lists and databases and extensive articles should be archived
elsewhere, and a link to the download site included in the post.
5) Some crossposting may be allowed, at the discretion of the
6) No specific opinions, strategies, or contributors will be given
preferential treatment, nor will serious posts that adhere to these
guidelines be arbitrarily rejected.
7) Posters are asked to post their comments on thread if a thread exists
on their topic within the past week. Posts may be rejected if they do
not contribute any new discussion to an ongoing thread, including "me
too" posts, posts with excessive quoted text, repetitive posts, or posts
addressing a single reader that could be sent via email. Posts may also
be rejected because they ask questions that were answered recently in
the group or which have answers available in FAQs or other on-line
A. The moderators have a non-legal but nevertheless good-faith duty to
approve submissions that are within the charter and the posting
guidelines, and may use whatever scripts or procedures they believe are
necessary to best achieve that goal.
B. Submissions from moderators go through the same approval process as
submissions from non-moderators. Moderators cannot approve their own
posts or add themselves to the express posting list.
C. The moderators will post the posting guidelines plus any changes to
the moderation procedure on the group FAQ and make them available upon
D. New and replacement moderators shall be approved by a majority vote
of the current moderators, and may be added whenever the moderators feel
it is in the best interest of the group. Moderators may resign at any
time; they may also be removed by a 2/3 majority vote of the other
E. In cases where a poster using the "express posting" mechanism
violates the posting guidelines, the moderators will respond in a manner
that seems appropriate to the level of offense: they may send a warning
to the poster, issue a public disavowal that the article does not meet
posting guidelines, and/or revoke express posting status for an
appropriate probationary period. Posters given express posting status
agree to this provision, along with the group's other posting
guidelines, as a condition of becoming an express poster.
F. Individuals who believe a moderator has unfairly rejected a post can
appeal to the entire team of moderators. The moderators will then make
a majority decision as to whether it will be allowed to be re-posted.
G. The moderators will use the following initial moderation procedure,
which incorporates robo-moderation. These procedures are subject to
change by majority vote of the moderators.
* Initial robo-moderation (pre-screening)
All submissions will be initially checked by the robo-moderation script,
which will take the following actions, in the specified order:
1. Articles that fail automated spam tests or keyword filters will be
held or rejected.
2. Articles which include binaries will be stripped of their
attachments and held for human moderation.
3. Articles which are cross-posted to more than three groups will be
4. Articles from posters who are not on the express posting list
(including anonymous posters) will be forwarded for human moderation.
5. Articles submitted by posters on the express posting list will be
automatically approved and posted.
* Express Posting
1. Posters who are not on the watch-list or the block-list may be added
to the express posting list by any moderator, generally after the poster
has submitted at least two consecutive posts within the posting
2. Anonymous and generic email addresses which are shared by multiple
posters are not eligible for express posting.
3. Any poster who submits inappropriate posts may be temporarily removed
from express posting by any moderator who judges that the poster is not
following the posting guidelines. A different moderator will be
required to manually reject the posts, and make a determination to
either keep the poster on the watch-list or reinstate the poster. Once
removed from express posting, a poster can request reinstatement after
five more posts which are within the posting guidelines. Reinstatement
to express posting requires acceptance by two of the moderators.
4. A poster may be moved to a block-list after three consecutive posts
fail to meet the posting guidelines. Once put on a block-list, poster
can ask to be reinstated after a 30 day period.
5. If possible and if the poster has a valid email address, the
moderators shall attempt to inform posters when their list status is
* Human moderation
1. Submissions which are designated for human moderation shall be
forwarded to the moderators, who shall approve or reject them in
accordance with the charter. A single vote is enough to accept. Two
votes are required to reject.
2. When possible, any article which is rejected under this provision
shall be returned to the submitter with an appropriate rejection message
which may include suggestions for how the post could be modified in a
way which is likely to increase the chance of approval in the future.
MODERATOR INFO: rec.gambling.poker.moderated
Moderator: Patti Beadles <pattib AT gammon.com>
Moderator: Andy Bloch <abloch AT alum.mit.edu>
Moderator: Steve Brecher <steve AT brecher.reno.nv.us>
Moderator: Randy Collack <rmitchcoll AT aol.com>
Moderator: Russell Fox <rcfox AT claytonservices.com>
Moderator: Michael Hunter <mph AT acm.org>
Moderator: Ken Kubey <kubey AT engr.sgi.com>
Moderator: Matt Matros <mattmatros AT hotmail.com>
Moderator: Michael Maurer <mjmaurer AT yahoo.com>
Moderator: Peter Secor <peter AT scfrey.com>
Moderator: Brian Edmonds <brian AT gweep.ca>
Administrative contact address: firstname.lastname@example.org
Article submission address: email@example.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
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