Discussion:
Obama picks Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
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Irish Mike
2008-08-23 08:19:33 UTC
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Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't secretly
rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go through the
motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's helping her pay off
the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no mistake. Hillary is
getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the last thing she wants is
Obama in the White House.

Now here's the beauty part:

"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than
Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment
and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly
realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.

"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends
itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words. Of
course that was before he got offered the VP job.

So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that dumped
our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!

Irish Mike
Clave
2008-08-23 08:25:51 UTC
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Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.

Jim
Howard Beale
2008-08-23 08:58:57 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.
Jim
Why panic? I think the Dems made an incredible mistake in going w/ Obama.
If McCain is still alive and healthy on election day I think he will win.






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Paul Popinjay
2008-08-23 09:16:23 UTC
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Post by Howard Beale
If McCain is still alive and healthy on election day I think he will win.
How fucking prophetic of you!
Howard Beale
2008-08-23 09:55:59 UTC
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Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by Howard Beale
If McCain is still alive and healthy on election day I think he will win.
How fucking prophetic of you!
Do you know that I have insomnia? I take various and assorted sleeping
pills, I have a massage chair to relax me, I drink a soothing cup of decaf
tea and I still can't sleep. So what I count on is this here forum (and
2p2, and porn) along w/ some low-limit online poker to tide me over until
I can get to bed. The point is this: If you are going to accommodate me
with posts in the middle of the night (which I do appreciate) would you at
least put a little meat into them in order to keep my interest and help me
out? I mean, after all, you're like a regular. You've got to keep up the
volume or Russ or Risky Biz, or even Irish Mike will outpace you and you
can't have that can you? Can you?

So get to putting up some posts, GD It! I don't care what they are and
neither do you: Light bulbs, spaghetti........ANYTHING and get Ramashiva
to start posting again also while you are at it. And now I'm going to sit
on the uh, er, well I'll have a smoke and read a magazine and when I get
back I expect to see something.

Thank you for your cooperation.


HB

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Bryan Kimmes
2008-08-23 10:27:53 UTC
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Post by Howard Beale
and get Ramashiva
to start posting again also while you are at it.
I believe risky biz IS William Coleman.

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risky biz
2008-08-23 16:18:14 UTC
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Post by Bryan Kimmes
Post by Howard Beale
and get Ramashiva
to start posting again also while you are at it.
I believe risky biz IS William Coleman.
Bryan
I haven't been William Coleman for years. I've missed him since he was
kidnapped by some casino executive.

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Travel
2008-08-23 10:58:00 UTC
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I had Hillary picked as the VP pick all the way. There were so many
reasons why an Obama/Hillary ticket made sense.

The first black AND woman on the same ticket would seem irresistible to
the Democrat establishment.

Hillary got an enormous amount of votes in the primaries, including the
big states, which goes without saying. Plus, all the delegates she won.



Right now, 20% of the former, primary Hillary votes have flipped to
McCain. A full one third of all of the former Hillary votes are
undecided; that's huge, considering that they're liberal or liberal
leaning moderates and aren't automatically going with the remaining
Democrat candidate, Obama.

Announcing Joe Biden as the VP pick has to be one of the all time buzz
killers among a presidential candidate's supporters. Maybe Obama
thinks Delaware is a major swing state among the "57 states". :-)

Maybe Hillary didn't want the VP spot and positioning herself for a
future run at the it, but I'm not convinced that's the case. A VP is
pretty close to becoming President at any time, and VP incumbents
almost always have a considerable advantage when running for President.
Plus, she'd be the first woman Vice President of The United States.


Biden has to be a net minus for the campaign. Also, there aren't any
that are more "Washington insider" than Joe Biden. So much for the
"change theme".

It really doesn't look good for Obama at this point, which is the
important thing, and the horror of the thought that the Clintons could
possibly be back in the White House is over; at least for a few years.

Bob Beckel predicted that McCain will announce, at some point, that
he's only going to serve one term. That would certainly brighten the
picture considerably, with the prospect of Romney running as an
incumbent VP in four years against Hillary. It would be a big incentive
for the Republicans to get out and vote on election day.

When will the Democrats learn that they can't run these radical left
wing candidates and expect to win the a presidential election?

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Irish Mike
2008-08-23 14:14:47 UTC
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Post by Travel
I had Hillary picked as the VP pick all the way. There were so many
reasons why an Obama/Hillary ticket made sense.
The first black AND woman on the same ticket would seem irresistible to
the Democrat establishment.
Hillary got an enormous amount of votes in the primaries, including the
big states, which goes without saying. Plus, all the delegates she won.
Right now, 20% of the former, primary Hillary votes have flipped to
McCain. A full one third of all of the former Hillary votes are
undecided; that's huge, considering that they're liberal or liberal
leaning moderates and aren't automatically going with the remaining
Democrat candidate, Obama.
Announcing Joe Biden as the VP pick has to be one of the all time buzz
killers among a presidential candidate's supporters. Maybe Obama
thinks Delaware is a major swing state among the "57 states". :-)
Maybe Hillary didn't want the VP spot and positioning herself for a
future run at the it, but I'm not convinced that's the case. A VP is
pretty close to becoming President at any time, and VP incumbents
almost always have a considerable advantage when running for President.
Plus, she'd be the first woman Vice President of The United States.
Biden has to be a net minus for the campaign. Also, there aren't any
that are more "Washington insider" than Joe Biden. So much for the
"change theme".
It really doesn't look good for Obama at this point, which is the
important thing, and the horror of the thought that the Clintons could
possibly be back in the White House is over; at least for a few years.
Bob Beckel predicted that McCain will announce, at some point, that
he's only going to serve one term. That would certainly brighten the
picture considerably, with the prospect of Romney running as an
incumbent VP in four years against Hillary. It would be a big incentive
for the Republicans to get out and vote on election day.
When will the Democrats learn that they can't run these radical left
wing candidates and expect to win the a presidential election?
Well Travel, in all fairness, there is one valid reason why Obama did not
pick Hillary for VP. If you were elected president, how well would you
sleep at night knowing that your beating heart was the only obstacle
standing between Hillary & Slick Willie and the oval office? Hell Obama
would have to double his secret service guards and hire a food taster. Not
to mention that Obama mama and Hillary hate each other.

Irish Mike

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Travel
2008-08-23 15:08:03 UTC
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It really is a break that the Clintons, who made a mockery of the
office of the President, won't be going back to the White House no
matter what happens.

Beside what you pointed out about Obama being able sleep with both eyes
closed at night, he doesn't have to worry about those two upstaging him
whenever they get the chance, either.

But, of course, Obama won't win anyway. The left wing just hasn't
dumbed down America enough, yet,

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James L. Hankins
2008-08-23 17:56:12 UTC
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Post by Howard Beale
Post by Clave
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.
Jim
Why panic? I think the Dems made an incredible mistake in going w/ Obama.
If McCain is still alive and healthy on election day I think he will win.
It'll be a horse race for sure. When guys like *me* are on the fence about
it you know it will be tight. I don't see that McCain has much to offer.
He'll keep us in Iraq and likely get us embroiled into some shit in Iran or
other places (Russia is lurking), and I don't see he has much new to offer
on domestic policy.

Obama wants to take away all the guns (a very big issue for me) and he does
seem to suggest that government has all the answers and that government
programs can fix whatever problems arise.

Then, he picks Biden??? Biden? Really? The Killer Rabbit Grin himself.

Obama should have shunned all politicians and picked someone from the
business world or Wall Street; or even tapped Colin Powell or even Condy
Rice (!). He made a big mistake by not riding the "change" card all the way
because it has carried him this far. I don't know if he is just paying off
political debts or what, but that decision really turns me off.

In fact, I don't like the idea of Biden being one heartbeat away from the
Presidency. Truly awful decision.
Clave
2008-08-23 18:54:57 UTC
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"James L. Hankins" <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:XcYrk.6973$***@newsfe06.iad...

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Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.

Jim
James L. Hankins
2008-08-23 23:37:26 UTC
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Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
da pickle
2008-08-23 23:59:39 UTC
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"James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Of course he would like to, but it is unlikely that he could.
Clave
2008-08-24 00:19:19 UTC
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Post by Clave
"James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Of course he would like to
You too. Cite.

Jim
da pickle
2008-08-24 01:54:05 UTC
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"Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by da pickle
Of course he would like to
You too. Cite.
Are you past your sophomore year?
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 02:07:55 UTC
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Post by da pickle
"Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by da pickle
Of course he would like to
You too. Cite.
Are you past your sophomore year?
I'm quite sure I picked up out of reading some of his posts that he is close
to our age, Pickle. Yes, I know it's hard to believe.

But Pickle, you actually met and spent some time with Bob T. Tell me that
'Clave' isn't Bob T.'s sockpuppet! Same writing style. Same EXACT writing
style! Think about it. And have you 'seen' Bob T. lately?

-PP
James L. Hankins
2008-08-24 05:19:28 UTC
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Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
"Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by da pickle
Of course he would like to
You too. Cite.
Are you past your sophomore year?
I'm quite sure I picked up out of reading some of his posts that he is
close to our age, Pickle. Yes, I know it's hard to believe.
But Pickle, you actually met and spent some time with Bob T. Tell me that
'Clave' isn't Bob T.'s sockpuppet! Same writing style. Same EXACT
writing style! Think about it. And have you 'seen' Bob T. lately?
-PP
I think he sounds more like Orange. He just gives one or two sentence
replies/posts with a little snark thrown in.
FL Turbo
2008-08-24 12:33:01 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:19:28 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
"Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by da pickle
Of course he would like to
You too. Cite.
Are you past your sophomore year?
I'm quite sure I picked up out of reading some of his posts that he is
close to our age, Pickle. Yes, I know it's hard to believe.
But Pickle, you actually met and spent some time with Bob T. Tell me that
'Clave' isn't Bob T.'s sockpuppet! Same writing style. Same EXACT
writing style! Think about it. And have you 'seen' Bob T. lately?
-PP
I think he sounds more like Orange. He just gives one or two sentence
replies/posts with a little snark thrown in.
Just a "little" snark?

Orangie and Clave could be identical twins.

All snark and no substance.
da pickle
2008-08-24 13:16:44 UTC
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"FL Turbo"
Post by FL Turbo
Orangie and Clave could be identical twins.
All snark and no substance.
Perhaps ... maybe ... I have no cite, so nothing can be proven! :-)
da pickle
2008-08-24 12:15:14 UTC
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"Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
Are you past your sophomore year?
I'm quite sure I picked up out of reading some of his posts that he is
close to our age, Pickle. Yes, I know it's hard to believe.
But Pickle, you actually met and spent some time with Bob T. Tell me that
'Clave' isn't Bob T.'s sockpuppet! Same writing style. Same EXACT
writing style! Think about it. And have you 'seen' Bob T. lately?
I do not think that Clave is BobT, but I am disappointed in the "new"
sockpuppets cropping up almost every day.

You have seen less and less of me ... which may be a good thing for all of
us. The new group of sockpuppets has taken a lot of the fun out of the
discussions. Many of the threads are just ... well, boring. What these new
guys think is clever is just crud.

I do not know where BobT has been, but I doubt that he is such a coward as
to hide behind a sockpuppet.

I think the new ones are mostly young with a few old guys that are just
"afraid" of anyone knowing who they really are. That sort of perverse fun,
while understandable, is not excusable.

I have enjoyed the return of Robert Ladd. I disagree with James Hankins
some of the time, but he is a real person and he is not disingenuous. I
"know" eleaticus and seldom agree with him, but he has interesting thoughts,
even if sometimes strange. Even Orange is predictable as is Irish Mike and
many others.

Joe Long is Joe Long ... whether I agree with him or not, he is who he is
and is not afraid to be himself. Gary Carson is another that does not hide
in the shadows of anonymity. I am not including everyone or omitting anyone
on purpose, this is just a general rant.

The trout has adopted a strange out-of-context style of late. I know him to
be much more analytical than he has shown lately.

These new (many are obviously oldsters with a new disguise) folks all act
like children in the schoolyard. Or worse yet, they are the sorts that do
bad things in the dark are fear "discovery." They reap their reward of
scorn and pity.
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 13:27:52 UTC
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Post by da pickle
I do not think that Clave is BobT, but I am disappointed in the "new"
sockpuppets cropping up almost every day.
You have seen less and less of me ... which may be a good thing for all of
us. The new group of sockpuppets has taken a lot of the fun out of the
discussions. Many of the threads are just ... well, boring. What these
new guys think is clever is just crud.
I do not know where BobT has been, but I doubt that he is such a coward as
to hide behind a sockpuppet.
I think the new ones are mostly young with a few old guys that are just
"afraid" of anyone knowing who they really are. That sort of perverse
fun, while understandable, is not excusable.
I have enjoyed the return of Robert Ladd. I disagree with James Hankins
some of the time, but he is a real person and he is not disingenuous. I
"know" eleaticus and seldom agree with him, but he has interesting
thoughts, even if sometimes strange. Even Orange is predictable as is
Irish Mike and many others.
Joe Long is Joe Long ... whether I agree with him or not, he is who he is
and is not afraid to be himself. Gary Carson is another that does not
hide in the shadows of anonymity. I am not including everyone or omitting
anyone on purpose, this is just a general rant.
The trout has adopted a strange out-of-context style of late. I know him
to be much more analytical than he has shown lately.
These new (many are obviously oldsters with a new disguise) folks all act
like children in the schoolyard. Or worse yet, they are the sorts that do
bad things in the dark are fear "discovery." They reap their reward of
scorn and pity.
Yep! Pimple-poppers. A lot of pimple-poppers on RGP now. As a coordinator
of this group and keeper of some semblance of order, I have been a failure.
Yes, I have failed! My head is hung in shame.

Hey Pickle, we've got two new casinos opening soon. Cannery East opens this
week, Aug. 28th, and the Aliante Stations opens in November! I'm ITCHING to
go!

-PP
FL Turbo
2008-08-24 13:55:36 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:27:52 -0700, "Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
I do not think that Clave is BobT, but I am disappointed in the "new"
sockpuppets cropping up almost every day.
You have seen less and less of me ... which may be a good thing for all of
us. The new group of sockpuppets has taken a lot of the fun out of the
discussions. Many of the threads are just ... well, boring. What these
new guys think is clever is just crud.
I do not know where BobT has been, but I doubt that he is such a coward as
to hide behind a sockpuppet.
I think the new ones are mostly young with a few old guys that are just
"afraid" of anyone knowing who they really are. That sort of perverse
fun, while understandable, is not excusable.
I have enjoyed the return of Robert Ladd. I disagree with James Hankins
some of the time, but he is a real person and he is not disingenuous. I
"know" eleaticus and seldom agree with him, but he has interesting
thoughts, even if sometimes strange. Even Orange is predictable as is
Irish Mike and many others.
Joe Long is Joe Long ... whether I agree with him or not, he is who he is
and is not afraid to be himself. Gary Carson is another that does not
hide in the shadows of anonymity. I am not including everyone or omitting
anyone on purpose, this is just a general rant.
The trout has adopted a strange out-of-context style of late. I know him
to be much more analytical than he has shown lately.
These new (many are obviously oldsters with a new disguise) folks all act
like children in the schoolyard. Or worse yet, they are the sorts that do
bad things in the dark are fear "discovery." They reap their reward of
scorn and pity.
Yep! Pimple-poppers. A lot of pimple-poppers on RGP now. As a coordinator
of this group and keeper of some semblance of order, I have been a failure.
Yes, I have failed! My head is hung in shame.
Hey Pickle, we've got two new casinos opening soon. Cannery East opens this
week, Aug. 28th, and the Aliante Stations opens in November! I'm ITCHING to
go!
-PP
You're ITCHING ?

(Please, please, Gawd, don't let me say it.)

Whew!!
That was a close call.

I was THIS CLOSE >--< to saying something.
da pickle
2008-08-24 14:05:15 UTC
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"Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
These new (many are obviously oldsters with a new disguise) folks all act
like children in the schoolyard. Or worse yet, they are the sorts that
do bad things in the dark are fear "discovery." They reap their reward
of scorn and pity.
Yep! Pimple-poppers. A lot of pimple-poppers on RGP now. As a
coordinator of this group and keeper of some semblance of order, I have
been a failure. Yes, I have failed! My head is hung in shame.
No one can put all the blame on you, Paul. The p-p's must take
responsibility for their own foolishness.
Post by Paul Popinjay
Hey Pickle, we've got two new casinos opening soon. Cannery East opens
this week, Aug. 28th, and the Aliante Stations opens in November! I'm
ITCHING to go!
I know you will do a bang up job at both openings, Paul.
Did you see the video on Finnegan?
http://youtu.be/8gzI5D7jQ4g
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 15:13:59 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Did you see the video on Finnegan?
http://youtu.be/8gzI5D7jQ4g
Yes, Pickle, I did. Very touching, and inspiring. And I'll tell you why I
say that, someday, away from this newsgroup.

-PP
FL Turbo
2008-08-24 13:47:07 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:15:14 -0500, "da pickle"
Post by da pickle
"Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
Are you past your sophomore year?
I'm quite sure I picked up out of reading some of his posts that he is
close to our age, Pickle. Yes, I know it's hard to believe.
But Pickle, you actually met and spent some time with Bob T. Tell me that
'Clave' isn't Bob T.'s sockpuppet! Same writing style. Same EXACT
writing style! Think about it. And have you 'seen' Bob T. lately?
I do not think that Clave is BobT, but I am disappointed in the "new"
sockpuppets cropping up almost every day.
Personally, I don't think that all those new posters are sockpuppets.

This is, after all the beginning of the start of the Prime Time
election campaign.

I think it is more likely that those new posters are simply people who
have gotten geeked up by the latest talking points bulletin from Party
Headquarters.

As I remember Bob T, you could at least get a two-way conversation
going with him and not get a stream of snarky two-liners in response.

I could be wrong, though.

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Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 13:55:26 UTC
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Post by FL Turbo
As I remember Bob T, you could at least get a two-way conversation
going with him and not get a stream of snarky two-liners in response.
You make a good point, but Bob T. was at LEAST as dumb as Clave is. We're
not just talking normal everyday dumbness. I mean, we're talking
super-sized portion of dumb. Double patties of dumb! And hold the mayo.

-PP
Bob T.
2008-08-24 14:22:24 UTC
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On Aug 24, 6:55 am, "Paul Popinjay"
Post by FL Turbo
As I remember Bob T, you could at least get a two-way conversation
going with him and not get a stream of snarky two-liners in response.
You make a good point, but Bob T. was at LEAST as dumb as Clave is.  We're
not just talking normal everyday dumbness.  I mean, we're talking
super-sized portion of dumb.  Double patties of dumb!  And hold the mayo.
Shut up, Coleman.

- Bob T.
-PP
da pickle
2008-08-24 14:25:47 UTC
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"Bob T."

Shut up, Coleman.
==============

Now, I am not so sure!
Irish Mike
2008-08-24 16:15:34 UTC
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Post by da pickle
"Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by da pickle
Are you past your sophomore year?
I'm quite sure I picked up out of reading some of his posts that he is
close to our age, Pickle. Yes, I know it's hard to believe.
But Pickle, you actually met and spent some time with Bob T. Tell me
that 'Clave' isn't Bob T.'s sockpuppet! Same writing style. Same EXACT
writing style! Think about it. And have you 'seen' Bob T. lately?
I do not think that Clave is BobT, but I am disappointed in the "new"
sockpuppets cropping up almost every day.
You have seen less and less of me ... which may be a good thing for all of
us. The new group of sockpuppets has taken a lot of the fun out of the
discussions. Many of the threads are just ... well, boring. What these
new guys think is clever is just crud.
I do not know where BobT has been, but I doubt that he is such a coward as
to hide behind a sockpuppet.
I think the new ones are mostly young with a few old guys that are just
"afraid" of anyone knowing who they really are. That sort of perverse
fun, while understandable, is not excusable.
I have enjoyed the return of Robert Ladd. I disagree with James Hankins
some of the time, but he is a real person and he is not disingenuous. I
"know" eleaticus and seldom agree with him, but he has interesting
thoughts, even if sometimes strange. Even Orange is predictable as is
Irish Mike and many others.
Joe Long is Joe Long ... whether I agree with him or not, he is who he is
and is not afraid to be himself. Gary Carson is another that does not
hide in the shadows of anonymity. I am not including everyone or omitting
anyone on purpose, this is just a general rant.
The trout has adopted a strange out-of-context style of late. I know him
to be much more analytical than he has shown lately.
These new (many are obviously oldsters with a new disguise) folks all act
like children in the schoolyard. Or worse yet, they are the sorts that do
bad things in the dark are fear "discovery." They reap their reward of
scorn and pity.
Bob T. and I disagree on just about every thing politically. I have no idea
whether or not he uses "sock puppets". If I had to guess, I'd say no. He
doesn't seem like a guy who would hide behind multiple identities. And I
can tell you the man does pay off his RGP debts which, in my book,
automatically elevates Bob T. to the top 2% of every one on this newsgroup.

Irish Mike
Clave
2008-08-24 03:02:02 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Of course he would like to
You too. Cite.
Are you past your sophomore year?
I knew you couldn't. You probably don't even have what little conscience it
takes to be embarrassed about that.

Jim
Clave
2008-08-24 00:19:00 UTC
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Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Cite then.

Jim
James L. Hankins
2008-08-24 01:38:36 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Cite then.
Jim
OK, I'll oblige. But, it says a lot about your awareness of Obama on the
issues if you have to be convinced of this statement with a cite. Obama is
adamantly anti-gun. That is common knowledge with which anyone, by this
stage of the election, should be fully aware.

Although I think I'm being trolled here, I'll bite one time:


http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971710/posts

http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-characterized-as-friend-of-gun-control/74947/


The key thing is to distinguish between his actions and votes on gun control
legislation with his campaign rhetoric. He has softened his stance since
running for President (I use the word "softened" liberally since he has had
to backbeddle and explain that he is not in favor of an outright ban, even
though it appears he was), but his actions prior to running for President
place him squarely within the group of hardcore gun control advocates.
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 01:49:21 UTC
Permalink
You are indeed being trolled here. In case you haven't figured it out yet,
duh, Clave is Bob T.'s sockpuppet. Don't you recognize the style?

-PP
Clave
2008-08-24 02:59:05 UTC
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Post by Paul Popinjay
You are indeed being trolled here. In case you haven't figured it out
yet, duh, Clave is Bob T.'s sockpuppet.
Bullshit. It's my turn to be Tim Hill today.

Jim
James L. Hankins
2008-08-24 05:15:51 UTC
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Post by Paul Popinjay
You are indeed being trolled here. In case you haven't figured it out
yet, duh, Clave is Bob T.'s sockpuppet. Don't you recognize the style?
-PP
I did suspect that "Clave" was someone else, but couldn't place it. Bob T.
feels about right, though.
Bob T.
2008-08-24 14:18:24 UTC
Permalink
You are indeed being trolled here.  In case you haven't figured it out
yet, duh, Clave is Bob T.'s sockpuppet.  Don't you recognize the style?
-PP
I did suspect that "Clave" was someone else, but couldn't place it.  Bob T.
feels about right, though.
Sure, and you're Da Pickle in disguise.

What is up with you guys and your sock-puppet fantasies? There are
six billion people in this world, and when a new one shows up on RGP
you all figure it's somebody you already know.

- Bob T.
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 14:34:53 UTC
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Post by Bob T.
What is up with you guys and your sock-puppet fantasies? There are
six billion people in this world, and when a new one shows up on RGP
you all figure it's somebody you already know.
Bob, You can't blame us for thinking that you and Clave are the same person.
There's that same special touch of stupity your writing styles share.

So, anyway, do you expect us to believe that you have not been around for a
long time and then all of a sudden you just happen to pop in when we were
talking about you? I don't THINK so! That's hardly plausible. Your
sockpuppet, Clave, of course, was monitoring the group FOR you. Because he
IS you!

-PP
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 14:42:47 UTC
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"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:2kesk.4919
Post by Paul Popinjay
Bob, You can't blame us for thinking that you and Clave are the same
person. There's that same special touch of stupity your writing styles
share.
Uhh, that would be "stuPIDity". And don't anyone dare say NUTHIN!
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 14:55:32 UTC
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Post by Bob T.
What is up with you guys and your sock-puppet fantasies? There are
six billion people in this world, and when a new one shows up on RGP
you all figure it's somebody you already know.
And look at THIS SHIT! The same looking kinda stuff in Clave's headings.
You're BUSTED, numb nuts! You are Clave and Clave is YOU!

See below. I am quite sure Wuzzy can verify for us that this is YOU and
CLAVE!

Message-ID:
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References: <tKPrk.35334$co7.19063nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com>
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See? I rest my case!

-PP
da pickle
2008-08-24 13:23:55 UTC
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"Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
You are indeed being trolled here. In case you haven't figured it out
yet, duh, Clave is Bob T.'s sockpuppet. Don't you recognize the style?
I think it is more along the style of Orange.

Paul, I know that you prefer cats, as do I, but have you seen the video (or
the stories) of Finnegan?


Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 13:34:49 UTC
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Post by da pickle
Paul, I know that you prefer cats, as do I, but have you seen the video
(or the stories) of Finnegan?
http://youtu.be/8gzI5D7jQ4g
Amazing, but I'm not surprised. In my opinion it is just further proof of
God's existence. Here is one I saw from your Finnegan link. A momma cat
nursing more squirrels. Precious!



Thanks, Pickle.

-PP
da pickle
2008-08-24 14:08:45 UTC
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"Paul Popinjay"
Post by Paul Popinjay
Amazing, but I'm not surprised. In my opinion it is just further proof of
God's existence. Here is one I saw from your Finnegan link. A momma cat
nursing more squirrels. Precious!
http://youtu.be/MepWPMjHO3U
Thanks, Pickle.
Thanks to you, Paul, I had not seen this one.
Clave
2008-08-24 01:51:48 UTC
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Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Cite then.
Jim
OK, I'll oblige. But, it says a lot about your awareness of Obama on the
issues if you have to be convinced of this statement with a cite. Obama
is adamantly anti-gun. That is common knowledge with which anyone, by
this stage of the election, should be fully aware.
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."

Jim
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 02:04:55 UTC
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Post by Clave
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Please show me a quote by Fidel Castro, pre-1959, saying that he wanted to
take away the guns. You are a genuine phony, Bob.

-PP
Clave
2008-08-24 02:59:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by Clave
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Please show me a quote by Fidel Castro, pre-1959, saying that he wanted to
take away the guns.
So you can't.

Typical gun fondler hysteria.

Jim
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 03:59:36 UTC
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Post by Clave
So you can't.
I'm not the one saying what Obama will or won't do. But I AM the one saying
that history is full of would-be tyrants who intended to disarm their
population but would not think of outright saying it before consolidating
their power. And I made my point quite well, you disengenuous asshole.
Clave
2008-08-24 04:23:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by Clave
So you can't.
I'm not the one saying what Obama will or won't do. But I AM the one
saying that history is full of would-be tyrants who intended to disarm
their population...
Blah, blah, blah.

Sell it to the freshmen.

Jim
Joe Long
2008-08-24 04:26:18 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by Clave
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Please show me a quote by Fidel Castro, pre-1959, saying that he wanted to
take away the guns.
So you can't.
Typical gun fondler hysteria.
I don't fondle, I cling.

You sound like that guy who when told millions of people were starving
in some Asian country, said "Name one."

"By their fruits ye shall know them." The best way to judge a
politician's intentions is to examine his voting record, not what he
says in a campaign.
--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range
Clave
2008-08-24 04:29:50 UTC
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Post by Joe Long
Post by Clave
Post by Paul Popinjay
Post by Clave
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Please show me a quote by Fidel Castro, pre-1959, saying that he wanted to
take away the guns.
So you can't.
Typical gun fondler hysteria.
I don't fondle, I cling.
You sound like that guy who when told millions of people were starving
in some Asian country, said "Name one."
"By their fruits ye shall know them." The best way to judge a
politician's intentions is to examine his voting record, not what he
says in a campaign.
Voting for reasonable controls on firearms is not "taking away all the
guns".

Equating the two is irrational and quite typicial of gun nuts.

Jim
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 03:42:47 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Cite then.
Jim
OK, I'll oblige. But, it says a lot about your awareness of Obama on the
issues if you have to be convinced of this statement with a cite. Obama
is adamantly anti-gun. That is common knowledge with which anyone, by
this stage of the election, should be fully aware.
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Christ alfuckin mighty, Jimbo.

You're WAY over the shithead line.

He buries you in cites, then you ask him for a specific quote for a specific
PHRASE.

You're fuckin' dumber than Obama right now.
Post by Clave
Jim
Clave
2008-08-24 03:57:29 UTC
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Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Cite then.
Jim
OK, I'll oblige. But, it says a lot about your awareness of Obama on
the issues if you have to be convinced of this statement with a cite.
Obama is adamantly anti-gun. That is common knowledge with which
anyone, by this stage of the election, should be fully aware.
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Christ alfuckin mighty, Jimbo.
You're WAY over the shithead line.
He buries you in cites...
Um, no. Nowhere in *any* of those "cites" does Obama say he wants to take
away all the guns. If you could quote him saying that, you'd have done it
too.

Typical gun fondler hysteria.

Jim
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 04:58:39 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
<...>
Obama wants to take away all the guns...
He does not.
The fuck he doesn't.
Cite then.
Jim
OK, I'll oblige. But, it says a lot about your awareness of Obama on
the issues if you have to be convinced of this statement with a cite.
Obama is adamantly anti-gun. That is common knowledge with which
anyone, by this stage of the election, should be fully aware.
Quote him saying he "wants to take away all the guns."
Christ alfuckin mighty, Jimbo.
You're WAY over the shithead line.
He buries you in cites...
Um, no. Nowhere in *any* of those "cites" does Obama say he wants to take
away all the guns. If you could quote him saying that, you'd have done it
too.
Jimbo, you are a COMPLETE shithead.

He doesn't need to use those exact words.
The cites make the intent obvious to anyone but a retard like you.
Post by Clave
Typical gun fondler hysteria.
I've never owned a gun.
I have no desire to ever do so.
Clave
2008-08-24 05:14:23 UTC
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Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.

Jim
James L. Hankins
2008-08-24 05:43:10 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
Jim
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/630645/barak_obamas_gun_control_positions.html?cat=75:

"According to the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political
Awareness Test of July 2, 1998, Obama also supports the banning of all
semi-automatic weapon sales and transfers. When most people hear
"semi-automatic weapon", they think of the gun in the hand of the gang
banger. That may be true, but there are a lot of other guns that are
semi-automatic, which would also be included in such bans. Shotguns, for
example, that are used by bird hunters would fall under the ban. The only
reason to try to ban a whole class of gun, with such a wide stroke, is to
start the progression of banning all guns eventually."


In The Audacity of Hope, Obama had this to say: "I believe in keeping guns
out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the
gun manufacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gang banger shoots
indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we
have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his
crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that
government programs alone may not be able to repair." Obama blames most of
these inner city shootings on "unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in the
inner city."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml:

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with
violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a
reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged
with a handgun violation.


http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm:

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a
document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in
Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular
questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when
Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit,
Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate
questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't
reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front
page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."




If you follow Obama's views on gun control, he believes that the gun-related
crime in the inner-city of Chicago can be addressed by banning guns.

I was able to overlook his nutty gun views because the Supreme Court decided
Heller which would seem to pre-empt any sort of outright ban.

Then, he goes and picks Biden. I hope Hillary puts on her jock strap, locks
and loads, and goes to the convention looking to be the Prez.
Clave
2008-08-24 05:56:25 UTC
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Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
Jim
"According to the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political
Awareness Test of July 2, 1998, Obama also supports the banning of all
semi-automatic weapon sales and transfers. When most people hear
"semi-automatic weapon", they think of the gun in the hand of the gang
banger. That may be true, but there are a lot of other guns that are
semi-automatic, which would also be included in such bans. Shotguns, for
example, that are used by bird hunters would fall under the ban. The only
reason to try to ban a whole class of gun, with such a wide stroke, is to
start the progression of banning all guns eventually."
Yah, yah -- slippery slope, blah blah blah. I don't buy it.

Regulation is not infringement.

<...>

Rather than go back years and years, why not look at what he's saying today?

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would
repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local
law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and
give police officers across the nation the tools they need to
solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama also
favors commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment
rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and
from criminals who shouldn't have them. He supports closing the
gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof.
He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban
permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not
on our streets.

Doesn't sound like he wants to "take all the guns away".

Jim
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 06:36:03 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
No, idiot boy, he doesn't.

This is a political discussion.
Clave
2008-08-24 06:48:52 UTC
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Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
No, idiot boy, he doesn't.
This is a political discussion.
Which you're sucking at worse than usual.

Jim
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 07:07:13 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
No, idiot boy, he doesn't.
This is a political discussion.
Which you're sucking at worse than usual.
No, shit for brains, I and everyone else in this thread is kicking your ass.

You're so clueless it's almost a cry out for help.
Clave
2008-08-24 07:16:15 UTC
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Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
No, idiot boy, he doesn't.
This is a political discussion.
Which you're sucking at worse than usual.
No, shit for brains, I and everyone else in this thread is kicking your ass.
Heh. There's an old Usenet truism that I doubt you've ever heard, Noob.

Whenever someone tries to brag about kicking someone else's ass, it's never
true -- it's just some insecure no-life blowhole who has a compulsive need
to elevate himself by pretending he's Superman.

Thanks for the laugh, Clark.

Jim
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 08:05:30 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Clave
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
He doesn't need to use those exact words.
He does if you don't want to look like a conspiracy k00k, k00k.
No, idiot boy, he doesn't.
This is a political discussion.
Which you're sucking at worse than usual.
No, shit for brains, I and everyone else in this thread is kicking your ass.
Heh. There's an old Usenet truism that I doubt you've ever heard, Noob.
Clave, you shit for brains, I was posting here in the 90's.

Really hard for a moron like you to get ANYTHING right, isn't it.
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 04:13:24 UTC
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Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Howard Beale
Post by Clave
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.
Jim
Why panic? I think the Dems made an incredible mistake in going w/ Obama.
If McCain is still alive and healthy on election day I think he will win.
It'll be a horse race for sure. When guys like *me* are on the fence
about it you know it will be tight. I don't see that McCain has much to
offer. He'll keep us in Iraq and likely get us embroiled into some shit in
Iran or other places (Russia is lurking), and I don't see he has much new
to offer on domestic policy.
They're both weak candidates.
They'll both do better than Bush.

I don't like the SC nominees that will likely come from McCain.

I don't like the taxes that will likely come from Obama.

I find it hysterical that the guy who should be running away with this
election is managing to shoot himself so often.
Post by James L. Hankins
Obama wants to take away all the guns (a very big issue for me) and he
does seem to suggest that government has all the answers and that
government programs can fix whatever problems arise.
Then, he picks Biden??? Biden? Really? The Killer Rabbit Grin himself.
Obama should have shunned all politicians and picked someone from the
business world or Wall Street; or even tapped Colin Powell or even Condy
Rice (!). He made a big mistake by not riding the "change" card all the
way because it has carried him this far. I don't know if he is just
paying off political debts or what, but that decision really turns me off.
He needs Hillary's base.
He falters in the polls enough, they'll figure they can endure McCain for
four years, then run her again.
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 06:38:19 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:13:24 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
They're both weak candidates.
They'll both do better than Bush.
I don't like the SC nominees that will likely come from McCain.
I don't like the taxes that will likely come from Obama.
I find it hysterical that the guy who should be running away with this
election is managing to shoot himself so often.
It's becoming par for the course with Democratic candidates. Gore,
Kerry, and now Obama have/are running the most miserable campaigns
possble. About as bad as Dukakis in '88.

Bill Clinton was the only Dem candidate in over a generation who knew
how to campaign effectively for president. If Hillary were this
year's nominee, she would certainly be doing a better job than Obama
has done to date.
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 07:10:48 UTC
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Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:13:24 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
They're both weak candidates.
They'll both do better than Bush.
I don't like the SC nominees that will likely come from McCain.
I don't like the taxes that will likely come from Obama.
I find it hysterical that the guy who should be running away with this
election is managing to shoot himself so often.
It's becoming par for the course with Democratic candidates. Gore,
Kerry, and now Obama have/are running the most miserable campaigns
possble. About as bad as Dukakis in '88.
Bill Clinton was the only Dem candidate in over a generation who knew
how to campaign effectively for president. If Hillary were this
year's nominee, she would certainly be doing a better job than Obama
has done to date.
She may yet be.

Hillary supporters must be getting ready to march on the convention. Obama
must be ready to kill himself for that "her name will be placed in
nomination" deal.
Clave
2008-08-23 18:53:15 UTC
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Post by Howard Beale
Post by Clave
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.
Jim
Why panic?
Ask Mike. He's been posting every RNC talking point a whole bunch of times
every day.

I think he's going for a "Romney for President" mouse pad.

Jim
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 04:05:04 UTC
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Post by Howard Beale
Post by Clave
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.
Jim
Why panic? I think the Dems made an incredible mistake in going w/ Obama.
If McCain is still alive and healthy on election day I think he will win.
Obama has shot himself in the ass with this decision.

He's got 4 days to reconsider, of course.
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 04:04:21 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!
Mike's panic begins.
It isn't Mike that should panic.

Go look at the reaction from Obama's base.

Hell, read this :



Some in Clinton's inner-circle are outraged.

(CNN) - Evan as Hillary Clinton praised the newly-minted Democratic
presidential ticket Saturday, some in her circle are furious Barack Obama
did not appear to give the New York Democrat serious consideration for the
No. 2 spot, or even ask for her consultation on the matter.

"Set aside that Obama said she'd be on anybody's short list, set aside
anybody's feelings on whether she was deliberately snubbed and the pros and
cons of whether it should be her," a former Clinton strategist told CNN's
Candy Crowley. "Focus on the politics of it and you have about a quarter of
Clinton loyalists still not joining the caravan.for God's sake, not to even
make a show of taking her seriously is flatly stupid."

A top Clinton advisor also told CNN they were "outraged," over how the
process was conducted.

"You can't put [Obama VP vetters] Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy on an
hour plane ride to Chappaqua just to check the box? They should have done it
just for the optics," this person said. "Barack never even said to her,
'Here's how I envision the job'- not one discussion with her about [the
position]."

"They thought her supporters were mad before? They are really mad now," this
person also said. We knew it was never going to happen but you would have
thought they might at least make a show of it."

Former Clinton strategist Paul Begala echoed similar frustrations on CNN
Friday night.

"I think there are a lot of Hillary voters who are going to say, 'Hey, wait
a minute, man You said you were going to put her on the short list. You
know, you didn't even vet her. You didn't call her. You didn't seek her
advice,'" Begala said. "By the way, he didn't seek President Clinton's
advice either. He's actually the guy who I think picked the best vice
president in American history. You would think maybe you would sort of check
in with him."


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James L. Hankins
2008-08-23 17:47:56 UTC
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Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Irish Mike
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.

I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 04:13:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by James L. Hankins
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I
love any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against
Obama and for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary
isn't secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll
go through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some
of Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Irish Mike
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
He's got time to change his mind.
So do the convention delegates.
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 05:31:33 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Clave
2008-08-24 05:45:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.

Jim
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 06:42:44 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:45:14 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
Clave
2008-08-24 06:49:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:45:14 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
How?

Jim
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 08:18:25 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:49:52 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Pepe Papon
Post by Clave
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
How?
Obama is selling change. Biden is the consummate Washington insider.
Irish Mike
2008-08-24 07:58:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:45:14 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
How in the hell did you come to that totally incorrect conclusion? Obama
sells himself as being all about change and ending politics as usual. Biden
*is* politics as usual. He totally contradicts every thing the Obama
campaign claimed it was going to do. Not to mention that Biden is on record
criticizing Obama and praising McCain.

Irish Mike
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 08:17:38 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:58:16 -0400, "Irish Mike"
Post by Irish Mike
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:45:14 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
How in the hell did you come to that totally incorrect conclusion? Obama
sells himself as being all about change and ending politics as usual. Biden
*is* politics as usual. He totally contradicts every thing the Obama
campaign claimed it was going to do. Not to mention that Biden is on record
criticizing Obama and praising McCain.
Uh, that's pretty much my point.
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 08:44:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:58:16 -0400, "Irish Mike"
Post by Irish Mike
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:45:14 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
How in the hell did you come to that totally incorrect conclusion? Obama
sells himself as being all about change and ending politics as usual.
Biden
*is* politics as usual. He totally contradicts every thing the Obama
campaign claimed it was going to do. Not to mention that Biden is on record
criticizing Obama and praising McCain.
Uh, that's pretty much my point.
I think you missed Mikey's point.

That Obama is a two faced liar.
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 10:09:38 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:44:20 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:58:16 -0400, "Irish Mike"
Post by Irish Mike
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:45:14 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:47:56 -0500, "James L. Hankins"
Post by James L. Hankins
Ugh. Biden has to be the absolute worst. No charisma, no special
accomplishments, milque-toast personality, white-bread career politician
with nothing to offer. Just horrible.
I'm very disappointed with this. Obama has made his bones by not being
establishment. And here he goes, choosing Mr. Establishment as the Veep.
I haven't felt this much excitement since Mike Dukakis chose Lloyd
Bentsen.
Say what you will about Biden, but he's still going to be head and shoulders
above whatever stiff McAncient digs up.
Perhaps, but Biden is inconsistent with Obama's message.
How in the hell did you come to that totally incorrect conclusion? Obama
sells himself as being all about change and ending politics as usual.
Biden
*is* politics as usual. He totally contradicts every thing the Obama
campaign claimed it was going to do. Not to mention that Biden is on record
criticizing Obama and praising McCain.
Uh, that's pretty much my point.
I think you missed Mikey's point.
That Obama is a two faced liar.
That still wouldn't make my point "totally incorrect", as Mike said,
before he went on to say exactly the same thing. The choice of Biden
is inconsistent with Obama's message of change.
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 15:03:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
That still wouldn't make my point "totally incorrect", as Mike said,
before he went on to say exactly the same thing. The choice of Biden
is inconsistent with Obama's message of change.
Mike did say the same thing. That was very weird, even for Mike. I hope
he's not having mini strokes or something. I'm concerned that we are all
witnessing Irish Mike growing old right before our eyes. I hope he's ok.

-PP
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 03:59:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.

However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.

If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
Pepe Papon
2008-08-24 06:44:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:59:02 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.
However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.
If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
No way Obama steps down at this point. Maybe the superdelegates will
change their minds.
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 07:09:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:59:02 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.
However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.
If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
No way Obama steps down at this point. Maybe the superdelegates will
change their minds.
I didn't say a WILLING step-aside.

But he has to know this... if he runs and loses, he's done. He drops 25
points in the polls (a HUGE "If"), and the DNC chair comes to him and says,
"Um, we think you can't win now.... do you EVER want to be President", what
do you think he says?
Bob T.
2008-08-24 14:20:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:59:02 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!  Well, to more exact, I
love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain.  If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves.  Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden.  After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt.  But make no
mistake.  Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement.  "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'"  Biden said he stood by his
words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters!  Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary.  Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.
However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.
If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
No way Obama steps down at this point.   Maybe the superdelegates will
change their minds.
I didn't say a WILLING step-aside.
But he has to know this... if he runs and loses, he's done. He drops 25
points in the polls (a HUGE "If"), and the DNC chair comes to him and says,
"Um, we think you can't win now.... do you EVER want to be President", what
do you think he says?
You think that he could run for president in the future after stepping
aside at the last minute? Really???

- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
- Show quoted text -
da pickle
2008-08-24 14:28:09 UTC
Permalink
- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
==================================

So, where have you been?
Bob T.
2008-08-24 14:33:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob T.
- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
==================================
So, where have you been?
Working and trying to learn how to write fiction. Oddly enough, RGP
turns out not to be a critical component of my life.

How was BARGE?

- Bob T.
da pickle
2008-08-24 14:57:26 UTC
Permalink
"Bob T."
Post by da pickle
So, where have you been?
Working and trying to learn how to write fiction. Oddly enough, RGP
turns out not to be a critical component of my life.
=======================================

What sort of fiction (other than the fictional kind) are you attempting?
The great American novel? Screenplays, essays, electronics-manuals? With
what are you having difficulty, if anything? [Wow, what a sentence!]
Fiction is so hard because it is often untrue; but so many authors write
from life and just spin it a little. [At least, that is what I have heard.]
RGP has indeed become somewhat boring at this particular point in history
... I blame global warming and all the budding fiction writers [present
company excluded].



How was BARGE?
===============

Since I did not repeat, that part sucked. Especially since I went out on a
MISTAKE. You live and die taking advantage of the mistakes of others.
Avoiding mistakes is critical. I made a mistake and I did not suck out and
recover. Lesson repeated, as it does so often. Nice to have you back, even
for a moment.
Bob T.
2008-08-24 15:08:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by da pickle
"Bob T."
Post by da pickle
So, where have you been?
Working and trying to learn how to write fiction. Oddly enough, RGP
turns out not to be a critical component of my life.
=======================================
What sort of fiction (other than the fictional kind) are you attempting?
The great American novel? Screenplays, essays, electronics-manuals?
I have a mediocre American novel in mind. I've written plenty of
technical documents in my time, I have no interest in writing more of
those. I write software for a living, but that's not at all the same
thing.
Post by da pickle
With what are you having difficulty, if anything? [Wow, what a sentence!]
I have a tendency to waste time instead of writing. I've trained
myself not to waste time posting very often, but I still read most of
the crap that people post here.
Post by da pickle
Fiction is so hard because it is often untrue; but so many authors write
from life and just spin it a little. [At least, that is what I have heard.]
Shit, you mean somebody else thought of that trick first?
Post by da pickle
RGP has indeed become somewhat boring at this particular point in history
... I blame global warming and all the budding fiction writers [present
company excluded].
Obama this, McCain that, boring boring boring.
Post by da pickle
How was BARGE?
===============
Since I did not repeat, that part sucked. Especially since I went out on a
MISTAKE. You live and die taking advantage of the mistakes of others.
Avoiding mistakes is critical. I made a mistake and I did not suck out and
recover. Lesson repeated, as it does so often. Nice to have you back, even
for a moment.
Condolences. I bet you had fun during the week, though.

- Bob T.
da pickle
2008-08-24 16:12:40 UTC
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"Bob T."
Post by Bob T.
Post by da pickle
What sort of fiction (other than the fictional kind) are you attempting?
The great American novel? Screenplays, essays, electronics-manuals?
I have a mediocre American novel in mind. I've written plenty of
technical documents in my time, I have no interest in writing more of
those. I write software for a living, but that's not at all the same
thing.
I have always enjoyed Hemingway's four rules:
http://www.copyblogger.com/ernest-hemingway-top-5-tips-for-writing-well/

A few Hemingway quotes on Writing: [not my compilation]

"Eschew the monumental. . . Shun the Epic. All the guys who can paint great
big pictures can paint great small ones."

When "stuck" he would say to himself "Do no worry. You have always written
before and you will write now. All you have to do is write one true
sentence. Write the truest sentence that you know . . . If I start to write
elaborately, or like someone introducing or presenting something, I found
that I could cut that scrollwork or ornament out and throw it away and start
with the first true simple declarative sentence I had written."

When asked "How much should you write a day?", he said, "The best way is
always to stop when you are going good and when you know what will happen
next. If you do that every day when you are writing a novel you will never
get stuck. That is the most valuable thing I can tell you so try to remember
it."

In a letter to Charles Scribner: "Charlie there is no future in anything. I
hope you agree. That is why I like it at a war. Every day and every night
there is a strong possibility that you will get killed and not have to
write. I have to write to be happy . . . . But it is a hell of a disease to
be born with. I like to do it. Which is even worse. That makes it from a
disease into a vice. Then I want to do it better than anybody has ever done
it which makes it into an obsession."

"...it has never gotten any easier to do and you can't expect it to if you
keep trying for something better than you can do."

"I write one page of masterpiece to ninety one pages of shit. I try to put
the shit in the wastebasket."
Post by Bob T.
Post by da pickle
With what are you having difficulty, if anything? [Wow, what a sentence!]
I have a tendency to waste time instead of writing. I've trained
myself not to waste time posting very often, but I still read most of
the crap that people post here.
Writing is hard.
Post by Bob T.
Post by da pickle
Fiction is so hard because it is often untrue; but so many authors write
from life and just spin it a little. [At least, that is what I have heard.]
Shit, you mean somebody else thought of that trick first?
I think "everyone" thought of that first. Making shit up is for RGP
posters.
Post by Bob T.
Post by da pickle
RGP has indeed become somewhat boring at this particular point in history
... I blame global warming and all the budding fiction writers [present
company excluded].
Obama this, McCain that, boring boring boring.
You were a Hillary fan, were you not? I feel your pain.
Post by Bob T.
Post by da pickle
How was BARGE?
===============
Since I did not repeat, that part sucked. Especially since I went out on a
MISTAKE. You live and die taking advantage of the mistakes of others.
Avoiding mistakes is critical. I made a mistake and I did not suck out and
recover. Lesson repeated, as it does so often. Nice to have you back, even
for a moment.
Condolences. I bet you had fun during the week, though.
Indeed ... we missed you. Lots of new folks. It was indeed fun.
Bob T.
2008-08-24 16:35:08 UTC
Permalink
On Aug 24, 9:12 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
A few Hemingway quotes on Writing:  [not my compilation]
<snip>
When asked "How much should you write a day?", he said, "The best way is
always to stop when you are going good and when you know what will happen
next. If you do that every day when you are writing a novel you will never
get stuck. That is the most valuable thing I can tell you so try to remember it."
This is very sound advice, and it applies to more than just writing.
I learned it a while back regarding programming projects.

<snip>
Post by Bob T.
Obama this, McCain that, boring boring boring.
You were a Hillary fan, were you not?  I feel your pain.
Oh, the same shit would be going on if Hillary would be the nominee.
I'm bored with online political discussions in general.
Post by Bob T.
Post by Bob T.
How was BARGE?
===============
Since I did not repeat, that part sucked.  Especially since I went out on a
MISTAKE.  You live and die taking advantage of the mistakes of others.
Avoiding mistakes is critical.  I made a mistake and I did not suck out and
recover.  Lesson repeated, as it does so often.  Nice to have you back,
even for a moment.
Condolences.  I bet you had fun during the week, though.
Indeed ... we missed you.  Lots of new folks.  It was indeed fun.
Perhaps I'll be back next year.

- Bob T.

Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 15:11:13 UTC
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Post by da pickle
"Bob T."
Post by da pickle
So, where have you been?
Working and trying to learn how to write fiction. Oddly enough, RGP
turns out not to be a critical component of my life.
=======================================
What sort of fiction (other than the fictional kind) are you attempting?
"The Wit and Wisdom of Bob T.", naturally.

Available in paperback. (actually, it's just a flyer)
Irish Mike
2008-08-24 16:30:29 UTC
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Post by Bob T.
- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
==================================
So, where have you been?
Working and trying to learn how to write fiction. Oddly enough, RGP
turns out not to be a critical component of my life.

How was BARGE?

- Bob T.

Bob T. - I'd be interested in hearing about your efforts at fiction writing.
Drop me an e-mail if you get a chance.

Irish Mike
Irish Mike
2008-08-24 16:28:43 UTC
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Post by Bob T.
- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
==================================
So, where have you been?
Give Bob T. some slack pickle. He's been making the rounds of the flea
markets trying to sell all of those "Vote for Hillary" campaign buttons he
invested his life's savings in.

Irish Mike
Beldin the Sorcerer
2008-08-24 14:30:29 UTC
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Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:59:02 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I
love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make
no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and
the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to
some
of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his
words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.
However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.
If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
No way Obama steps down at this point. Maybe the superdelegates will
change their minds.
I didn't say a WILLING step-aside.
But he has to know this... if he runs and loses, he's done. He drops 25
points in the polls (a HUGE "If"), and the DNC chair comes to him and says,
"Um, we think you can't win now.... do you EVER want to be President", what
do you think he says?
You think that he could run for president in the future after stepping
aside at the last minute? Really???
***
Yes, I think if he does it for the 'good of the party', he gets mega brownie
points, and if he learns from this NOT to promise moonbeams he can't
deliver, he'll be a more effective general election candidate.

This election SHOULD be a walk in the park for the D candidate, and he's
falling in the polls.

Losing this time out is eternal damnation for taking the shot away from
Hillary, a candidate that, though lots don't like, few feel couldn't close
the deal in November.


- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
They're not accusing you of being Clave.

They're accusing him of being you.
Bob T.
2008-08-24 14:37:14 UTC
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Post by Bob T.
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:59:02 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I
love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make
no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and
the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to
some
of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his
words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.
However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.
If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
No way Obama steps down at this point. Maybe the superdelegates will
change their minds.
I didn't say a WILLING step-aside.
But he has to know this... if he runs and loses, he's done. He drops 25
points in the polls (a HUGE "If"), and the DNC chair comes to him and says,
"Um, we think you can't win now.... do you EVER want to be President", what
do you think he says?
You think that he could run for president in the future after stepping
aside at the last minute?  Really???
***
Yes, I think if he does it for the 'good of the party', he gets mega brownie
points, and if he learns from this NOT to promise moonbeams he can't
deliver, he'll be a more effective general election candidate.
I can't imagine any party, even the Democrats, re-nominating somebody
who backed out at the last minute.
Post by Bob T.
This election SHOULD be a walk in the park for the D candidate, and he's
falling in the polls.
Losing this time out is eternal damnation for taking the shot away from
Hillary, a candidate that, though lots don't like, few feel couldn't close
the deal in November.
Of course. I just can't imagine how you think that he could ever run
again after a withdrawal in Denver. Who would work to support him?
Post by Bob T.
- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
They're not accusing you of being Clave.
They're accusing him of being you.
It never occurred to me that he was me.

- Bob T.
Irish Mike
2008-08-24 16:26:25 UTC
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Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Post by Pepe Papon
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:59:02 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I
love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't
secretly rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go
through the motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's
helping her pay off the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make
no
mistake. Hillary is getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and
the
last thing she wants is Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience
than Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are
quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to
some
of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that
lends itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his
words.
Of course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that
dumped our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Obama clearly has gone insane.
However, neither he nor Biden is set yet.
If the polls tank a medium amount, Joey B may suddenly have personal
problems to take care of and step aside for Hillary.
If they tank a LOT, someone else may step aside for Hillary.
No way Obama steps down at this point. Maybe the superdelegates will
change their minds.
I didn't say a WILLING step-aside.
But he has to know this... if he runs and loses, he's done. He drops 25
points in the polls (a HUGE "If"), and the DNC chair comes to him and says,
"Um, we think you can't win now.... do you EVER want to be President", what
do you think he says?
You think that he could run for president in the future after stepping
aside at the last minute? Really???

- Bob T. (not Clave, or Ramashiva, or anybody else)
Post by Beldin the Sorcerer
- Show quoted text -
When you're right, you're right Bob. No way Obama would ever step
aside -regardless of the polls. And if the Democrat delegates even hinted
that they wanted him too - Al Sharpton would have people rioting in the
streets faster than they could hot wire a car. Obama is their candidate -
period. Question is, what will Hillary's supporters do? She got 18,000,000
votes in the primaries compared to Biden's few thousand and out girl gets
passed over for VP? You got some pissed off campers out there Bob.

Irish Mike
Double Down Now
2008-08-24 13:08:51 UTC
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Post by Irish Mike
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't secretly
rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go through the
motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's helping her pay off
the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no mistake. Hillary is
getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the last thing she wants is
Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than
Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment
and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly
realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends
itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words. Of
course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that dumped
our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Irish Mike
As a former Hillary supporter I will be voting for Obama/Biden because
we can't afford to waste any more lives/ $$$ in Iraq. It's time we put
America and Americans first over Iraq/Iraqis'.
croupe
2008-08-24 14:36:11 UTC
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Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!  Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain.  If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't secretly
rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves.  Oh, she'll go through the
motions of supporting Obama and Biden.  After all, he's helping her pay off
the millions she owes in campaign debt.  But make no mistake.  Hillary is
getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the last thing she wants is
Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than
Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement.  "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment
and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly
realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends
itself to on-the-job training,'"  Biden said he stood by his words.  Of
course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters!  Don't vote for the bastard that dumped
our girl Hillary.  Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Irish Mike
Is Obama's "surrender in Iraq" plan the same one that Bush/Rice just
negotiated - or is it different?

Croupe
FL Turbo
2008-08-24 14:49:48 UTC
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Post by croupe
Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary!  Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain.  If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't secretly
rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves.  Oh, she'll go through the
motions of supporting Obama and Biden.  After all, he's helping her pay off
the millions she owes in campaign debt.  But make no mistake.  Hillary is
getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the last thing she wants is
Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than
Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement.  "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment
and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly
realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends
itself to on-the-job training,'"  Biden said he stood by his words.  Of
course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters!  Don't vote for the bastard that dumped
our girl Hillary.  Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Irish Mike
Is Obama's "surrender in Iraq" plan the same one that Bush/Rice just
negotiated - or is it different?
Croupe
Surely, you speak in jest.

You do know the difference, don't you?

Um, you do really understand the difference, don't you?
Paul Popinjay
2008-08-24 15:27:23 UTC
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Post by FL Turbo
Post by croupe
Croupe
Surely, you speak in jest.
You do know the difference, don't you?
Um, you do really understand the difference, don't you?
Looks like we have ourselves another candidate for suspected Bob T.
sockpuppet.
Irish Mike
2008-08-24 16:34:44 UTC
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Obama picked Biden for VP but I love Hillary! Well, to more exact, I love
any of Hillary's pissed off supporters who want to vote against Obama and
for McCain. If any of you are naive enough to think Hillary isn't secretly
rooting for McCain, you're kidding yourselves. Oh, she'll go through the
motions of supporting Obama and Biden. After all, he's helping her pay off
the millions she owes in campaign debt. But make no mistake. Hillary is
getting ready for her 2012 presidential run and the last thing she wants is
Obama in the White House.
"There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama's lack of experience than
Joe Biden," McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt said in a written
statement. "Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy
judgment
and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly
realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."
During another debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos referred to some of
Biden's comments on Obama.
"You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but
right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends
itself to on-the-job training,'" Biden said he stood by his words. Of
course that was before he got offered the VP job.
So, come on you Hillary supporters! Don't vote for the bastard that dumped
our girl Hillary. Vote McCain and teach that ultra liberal,
surrender-in-Iraq, tax raising, left wing ass wipe Obama a lesson!
Irish Mike
Is Obama's "surrender in Iraq" plan the same one that Bush/Rice just
negotiated - or is it different?

Croupe

I was referring to Obams's original Iraq surrender plan. You know, the one
when he said the surge wouldn't work and he would pull out the troops the
day after he took office.

Irish Mike
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