Discussion:
OT Was WWII worth it, my 2 cents
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FasterPilot
2005-05-13 05:37:46 UTC
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I am a conservative fool, a clown.  I don't read the paper much, its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway.  I watch Fox news on TV a little, usually when away from
home.  I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio.  I do not
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see.  Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6 million
jews.  Thats OK, right?  He lied to everyone.  He broke every treaty he had
with everybody except with Japan. His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families.  He blamed all
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".  He was a good guy,
though.  We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed, cowardly,
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing liberals, oh,
excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that, I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about how we
are percieved in the world will solve everything.  Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.  They
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything, hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us, the terrorists, Hitler, the
communists, whoever, will leave us alone.  OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are, so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its our
damn fault anyway.  Right.  Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass
of milk, you know.  Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.  Then
they kill us anyway.  Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to make
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries) do
not want justice, they do not want peace, they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in your
front door, at your request, and kill you.  Period.  The end.  And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.  When you have figured that out,
you can save yourself.  You will probably never be able to save me, I will
probably have to save you.  You will probably then denegrad the way I save you,
too. Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore")  that it took guts and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.  Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love that
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for.  Lets take it and give to the poor
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us free.  
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.  You sure dont have to be
a genius to figure that out.  Now we get attacked, and the "progressives" feel
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.  Hey, you killed 3000 of us,
no problem.  Its our fault anyway.  Its OK.  Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant.  I did not spell check it.  I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.FasterPilot

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FasterPilot
2005-05-13 05:41:41 UTC
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I do not know why the punctuation came out like that.  I had paragraph breaks,
and spaces after the periods.
Post by FasterPilot
I am a conservative fool, a clown.  I don't read the paper much, its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway.  I watch Fox news on TV a little, usually when away from
home.  I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio.  I do not
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see.  Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6
million
jews.  Thats OK, right?  He lied to everyone.  He broke every treaty he had
with everybody except with Japan. His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families.  He blamed all
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".  He was a good guy,
though.  We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed, cowardly,
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing liberals, oh,
excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that, I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about how we
are percieved in the world will solve everything.  Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.  They
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything, hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us, the terrorists, Hitler, the
communists, whoever, will leave us alone.  OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are, so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its our
damn fault anyway.  Right.  Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass
of milk, you know.  Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.  Then
they kill us anyway.  Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to make
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries) do
not want justice, they do not want peace, they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in your
front door, at your request, and kill you.  Period.  The end.  And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.  When you have figured that out,
you can save yourself.  You will probably never be able to save me, I will
probably have to save you.  You will probably then denegrad the way I save you,
too. Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore")  that it took guts and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.  Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love that
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for.  Lets take it and give to the poor
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us free.  
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.  You sure dont have to be
a genius to figure that out.  Now we get attacked, and the "progressives" feel
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.  Hey, you killed 3000 of us,
no problem.  Its our fault anyway.  Its OK.  Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant.  I did not spell check it.  I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.FasterPilot
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Bryan Kimmes
2005-05-13 05:47:00 UTC
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Do you have a link to this article that has you in such an uproar? Sit down and
talk with the Germans? I might be wrong, but I think our invovlement in WW2 was
due to being attacked at Pearl Harbor. I find it very very hard to believe that
any newspaper in this country would say 'sitting down' and talking it out with
Japan would have been an option. We needed to goto war with them.

As far as the Germans go, I sometimes wonder myself if our invovlment in Europe
was necessary. Yes we played a huge role in the liberation of France, and please
don't flame me, I have much respect for the men who landed at Normandy and
fought WW2 in Europe, I know for a fact i'd never have the courage to do it. But
the day Hitler attacked Joe Stalin was the begining of the end for him. Hitler
was going to go down one way or another, in my opinion.

Bryan

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FasterPilot
2005-05-13 05:56:41 UTC
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You are correct, the beginning of the end of Hitler was his attacking Stalin.  I
do not think that that Stalin could have done it on his own.  I also cant back
that statement up with lots of history, its just my personal assesment based
upon the stories, articles and books I have read about WWII.

The fact that you can admit that you would not have the courage to fight in a
war like makes you an honest person.   I do not know if I could have done it
either.  The men who fought could not see "Saving Private Ryan", to see the
horror of war before they got there.  Mostly, the libs cannot admit to any
weakness, other than not being able to win an election.  Wait, they said we
stole it.  Sorry.

I did not read the article.  My rant was based upon some of the posts made on
the original posting of the topic.

FasterPilot
Post by Bryan Kimmes
Do you have a link to this article that has you in such an uproar? Sit down and
talk with the Germans? I might be wrong, but I think our invovlement in WW2 was
due to being attacked at Pearl Harbor. I find it very very hard to believe that
any newspaper in this country would say 'sitting down' and talking it out with
Japan would have been an option. We needed to goto war with them.
As far as the Germans go, I sometimes wonder myself if our invovlment in Europe
was necessary. Yes we played a huge role in the liberation of France, and please
don't flame me, I have much respect for the men who landed at Normandy and
fought WW2 in Europe, I know for a fact i'd never have the courage to do it. But
the day Hitler attacked Joe Stalin was the begining of the end for him. Hitler
was going to go down one way or another, in my opinion.
Bryan
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Rich Shipley
2005-05-13 12:49:40 UTC
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Post by Bryan Kimmes
As far as the Germans go, I sometimes wonder myself if our invovlment in Europe
was necessary. Yes we played a huge role in the liberation of France, and please
don't flame me, I have much respect for the men who landed at Normandy and
fought WW2 in Europe, I know for a fact i'd never have the courage to do it. But
the day Hitler attacked Joe Stalin was the begining of the end for him. Hitler
was going to go down one way or another, in my opinion.
Then Stalin may have "liberated" all of Europe.

Rich

O-PGManager
2005-05-13 06:13:40 UTC
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yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, thanks for putting me to sleep i need to get up
early tomorrow

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Wilhelm Kuhlmann
2005-05-13 06:28:26 UTC
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Post by FasterPilot
I am a conservative fool, a clown.
That is obvious.
Post by FasterPilot
I don't read the paper much,
That is also obvious.
Post by FasterPilot
its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway. I watch Fox news on TV a little,
I never would have guessed.
Post by FasterPilot
usually when away from
home. I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio. I do
not
Post by FasterPilot
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see. Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6
million
Post by FasterPilot
jews. Thats OK, right?
Who said it was OK?
Post by FasterPilot
He lied to everyone.
He broke every treaty he had with everybody except with Japan.
Do you understand that both of these statements cannot be true?
Post by FasterPilot
His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families. He blamed
all
Post by FasterPilot
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".
No, actually he primarily blamed the Versailles Treaty, which saddled
Germany with very high war reparations for WW I.
Post by FasterPilot
He was a good guy, though.
Did anyone say he was a good guy?
Post by FasterPilot
We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
Did anyone say we should have trusted Hitler?
Post by FasterPilot
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed, cowardly,
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing
liberals,

Nice demonization of liberals. Too bad none of it is true except the well
educated part.
Post by FasterPilot
oh, excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that,
Not at all. You can call me a liberal. You can even call me a left-wing
liberal. I consider that a compliment. Remember, the right is wrong, and
the left is right.
Post by FasterPilot
I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about how we
are percieved in the world will solve everything.
No, we don't think that at all. We just think force should be a last
resort, not a first resort.
Post by FasterPilot
Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.
They
Post by FasterPilot
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything,
If they give up nothing and we give up everything, then we have done a piss
poor job of negotiating.
Post by FasterPilot
hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us,
The French do love us. You right-wing nutcases confuse the Bush Crime
Family with the USA. It is perfectly possible to hate Bush and love the
American people. In fact, this is the sentiment of the overwhelming
majority of people in the world.
Post by FasterPilot
the terrorists, Hitler, the communists, whoever, will leave us alone.
OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are,
If you are talking about terrorists, no one is claiming that we caused them
to be like they are.
Post by FasterPilot
so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its our
damn fault anyway.
No one is claiming this either. You are now constructing one strawman
argument after another.
Post by FasterPilot
Right. Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass of milk, you
know.

You are now arguing with kindergarten analogies, which is appropriate, since
that is your level of understanding of the world.
Post by FasterPilot
Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.
You are describing a fantasy with no basis in reality, since nothing like
this has ever happened.
Post by FasterPilot
Then
they kill us anyway. Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to
make
Post by FasterPilot
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries) do
not want justice,
Of course they want justice.
Post by FasterPilot
they do not want peace,
Of course they want peace.
Post by FasterPilot
they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in your
front door, at your request, and kill you. Period. The end.
Uh huh. This total demonization of terrorists is not productive. This idea
that they hate us for our freedom and just want to kill us is nonsense.
They want us to get the fuck out of their countries and stay out. Until we
do, they will do everything they can to kill as many of us as possible.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Post by FasterPilot
And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.
Amazing how you think you know what terrorists will do. You have absolutely
no understanding of terrorist motivation and behavior.
Post by FasterPilot
When you have figured that out, you can save yourself.
As far as I am concerned, the Republican Party and right-wing nutcases like
you are much greater threats to my life and happiness than the terrorists.
Post by FasterPilot
You will probably never be able to save me,
I would never do anything to save rabid vermin like you.
Post by FasterPilot
I will probably have to save you.
I am quite capable of saving myself.
Post by FasterPilot
You will probably then denegrad the way I save you, too.
You are not going to save me. You are the enemy.
Post by FasterPilot
Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore") that it took guts and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.
Do you remember where we were 40 years ago? We were letting anti-communist
hysteria lead us into a war to suppress an anti-colonial revolution. We all
know how well that worked out.
Post by FasterPilot
Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love that
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for. Lets take it and give to the
poor
Post by FasterPilot
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us
free.
Post by FasterPilot
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.
You really love to demonize liberals, don't you? This has no relationship
to history or liberal ideology.
Post by FasterPilot
You sure dont have to be
a genius to figure that out. Now we get attacked, and the "progressives"
feel
Post by FasterPilot
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.
No, we think we should get American troops out of all Muslim countries and
force Israel to conclude a peace settlement with the Palestinians. These
are the two root causes of the Islamic terrorism we faced on 9/11 and
continue to face, thanks to the total incompetence of the Bush Crime Family.
Post by FasterPilot
Hey, you killed 3000 of us, no problem. Its our fault anyway.
It is our fault in the sense that American foreign policy vis a vis
Israel/Palestine and American troops in Muslim countries is the root cause
of Islamic terrorism.
Post by FasterPilot
Its OK. Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant. I did not spell check it. I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.
We already knew that. You could have spared us the rant.


Wilhelm Kuhlmann (ramashiva)
mr.mister
2005-05-13 07:01:08 UTC
Permalink
jesus, i hate these free internet access days at the local ibaray when
all these masterbating loners like bill can sit and type crap all day.
Post by Wilhelm Kuhlmann
Post by FasterPilot
I am a conservative fool, a clown.
That is obvious.
Post by FasterPilot
I don't read the paper much,
That is also obvious.
Post by FasterPilot
its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway. I watch Fox news on TV a little,
I never would have guessed.
Post by FasterPilot
usually when away from
home. I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio. I do
not
Post by FasterPilot
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see. Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6
million
Post by FasterPilot
jews. Thats OK, right?
Who said it was OK?
Post by FasterPilot
He lied to everyone.
He broke every treaty he had with everybody except with Japan.
Do you understand that both of these statements cannot be true?
Post by FasterPilot
His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families. He blamed
all
Post by FasterPilot
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".
No, actually he primarily blamed the Versailles Treaty, which saddled
Germany with very high war reparations for WW I.
Post by FasterPilot
He was a good guy, though.
Did anyone say he was a good guy?
Post by FasterPilot
We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
Did anyone say we should have trusted Hitler?
Post by FasterPilot
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed,
cowardly,
Post by FasterPilot
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing
liberals,
Nice demonization of liberals. Too bad none of it is true except the well
educated part.
Post by FasterPilot
oh, excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that,
Not at all. You can call me a liberal. You can even call me a left-wing
liberal. I consider that a compliment. Remember, the right is wrong, and
the left is right.
Post by FasterPilot
I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about
how we
Post by FasterPilot
are percieved in the world will solve everything.
No, we don't think that at all. We just think force should be a last
resort, not a first resort.
Post by FasterPilot
Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.
They
Post by FasterPilot
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything,
If they give up nothing and we give up everything, then we have done a piss
poor job of negotiating.
Post by FasterPilot
hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us,
The French do love us. You right-wing nutcases confuse the Bush Crime
Family with the USA. It is perfectly possible to hate Bush and love the
American people. In fact, this is the sentiment of the overwhelming
majority of people in the world.
Post by FasterPilot
the terrorists, Hitler, the communists, whoever, will leave us alone.
OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are,
If you are talking about terrorists, no one is claiming that we caused them
to be like they are.
Post by FasterPilot
so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its
our
Post by FasterPilot
damn fault anyway.
No one is claiming this either. You are now constructing one strawman
argument after another.
Post by FasterPilot
Right. Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass of milk, you
know.
You are now arguing with kindergarten analogies, which is appropriate, since
that is your level of understanding of the world.
Post by FasterPilot
Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.
You are describing a fantasy with no basis in reality, since nothing like
this has ever happened.
Post by FasterPilot
Then
they kill us anyway. Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to
make
Post by FasterPilot
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries)
do
Post by FasterPilot
not want justice,
Of course they want justice.
Post by FasterPilot
they do not want peace,
Of course they want peace.
Post by FasterPilot
they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in
your
Post by FasterPilot
front door, at your request, and kill you. Period. The end.
Uh huh. This total demonization of terrorists is not productive. This idea
that they hate us for our freedom and just want to kill us is nonsense.
They want us to get the fuck out of their countries and stay out. Until we
do, they will do everything they can to kill as many of us as possible.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Post by FasterPilot
And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.
Amazing how you think you know what terrorists will do. You have absolutely
no understanding of terrorist motivation and behavior.
Post by FasterPilot
When you have figured that out, you can save yourself.
As far as I am concerned, the Republican Party and right-wing nutcases like
you are much greater threats to my life and happiness than the terrorists.
Post by FasterPilot
You will probably never be able to save me,
I would never do anything to save rabid vermin like you.
Post by FasterPilot
I will probably have to save you.
I am quite capable of saving myself.
Post by FasterPilot
You will probably then denegrad the way I save you, too.
You are not going to save me. You are the enemy.
Post by FasterPilot
Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore") that it took guts and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.
Do you remember where we were 40 years ago? We were letting anti-communist
hysteria lead us into a war to suppress an anti-colonial revolution. We all
know how well that worked out.
Post by FasterPilot
Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love
that
Post by FasterPilot
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for. Lets take it and give to the
poor
Post by FasterPilot
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us
free.
Post by FasterPilot
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.
You really love to demonize liberals, don't you? This has no relationship
to history or liberal ideology.
Post by FasterPilot
You sure dont have to be
a genius to figure that out. Now we get attacked, and the "progressives"
feel
Post by FasterPilot
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.
No, we think we should get American troops out of all Muslim countries and
force Israel to conclude a peace settlement with the Palestinians. These
are the two root causes of the Islamic terrorism we faced on 9/11 and
continue to face, thanks to the total incompetence of the Bush Crime Family.
Post by FasterPilot
Hey, you killed 3000 of us, no problem. Its our fault anyway.
It is our fault in the sense that American foreign policy vis a vis
Israel/Palestine and American troops in Muslim countries is the root cause
of Islamic terrorism.
Post by FasterPilot
Its OK. Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant. I did not spell check it. I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.
We already knew that. You could have spared us the rant.
Wilhelm Kuhlmann (ramashiva)
RazzO
2005-05-13 09:34:25 UTC
Permalink
Hi Mr. Mister,

Like what crap, for instance? Can you be specific?
Post by mr.mister
jesus, i hate these free internet access days at the local ibaray when
all these masterbating loners like bill can sit and type crap all day.
Post by Wilhelm Kuhlmann
Post by FasterPilot
I am a conservative fool, a clown.
That is obvious.
Post by FasterPilot
I don't read the paper much,
That is also obvious.
Post by FasterPilot
its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway. I watch Fox news on TV a little,
I never would have guessed.
Post by FasterPilot
usually when away from
home. I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio. I do
not
Post by FasterPilot
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see. Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6
million
Post by FasterPilot
jews. Thats OK, right?
Who said it was OK?
Post by FasterPilot
He lied to everyone.
He broke every treaty he had with everybody except with Japan.
Do you understand that both of these statements cannot be true?
Post by FasterPilot
His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families. He blamed
all
Post by FasterPilot
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".
No, actually he primarily blamed the Versailles Treaty, which saddled
Germany with very high war reparations for WW I.
Post by FasterPilot
He was a good guy, though.
Did anyone say he was a good guy?
Post by FasterPilot
We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
Did anyone say we should have trusted Hitler?
Post by FasterPilot
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed,
cowardly,
Post by FasterPilot
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing
liberals,
Nice demonization of liberals. Too bad none of it is true except the well
educated part.
Post by FasterPilot
oh, excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that,
Not at all. You can call me a liberal. You can even call me a left-wing
liberal. I consider that a compliment. Remember, the right is wrong, and
the left is right.
Post by FasterPilot
I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about
how we
Post by FasterPilot
are percieved in the world will solve everything.
No, we don't think that at all. We just think force should be a last
resort, not a first resort.
Post by FasterPilot
Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.
They
Post by FasterPilot
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything,
If they give up nothing and we give up everything, then we have done a piss
poor job of negotiating.
Post by FasterPilot
hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us,
The French do love us. You right-wing nutcases confuse the Bush Crime
Family with the USA. It is perfectly possible to hate Bush and love the
American people. In fact, this is the sentiment of the overwhelming
majority of people in the world.
Post by FasterPilot
the terrorists, Hitler, the communists, whoever, will leave us alone.
OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are,
If you are talking about terrorists, no one is claiming that we caused them
to be like they are.
Post by FasterPilot
so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its
our
Post by FasterPilot
damn fault anyway.
No one is claiming this either. You are now constructing one strawman
argument after another.
Post by FasterPilot
Right. Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass of milk, you
know.
You are now arguing with kindergarten analogies, which is appropriate, since
that is your level of understanding of the world.
Post by FasterPilot
Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.
You are describing a fantasy with no basis in reality, since nothing like
this has ever happened.
Post by FasterPilot
Then
they kill us anyway. Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to
make
Post by FasterPilot
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries)
do
Post by FasterPilot
not want justice,
Of course they want justice.
Post by FasterPilot
they do not want peace,
Of course they want peace.
Post by FasterPilot
they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in
your
Post by FasterPilot
front door, at your request, and kill you. Period. The end.
Uh huh. This total demonization of terrorists is not productive. This idea
that they hate us for our freedom and just want to kill us is nonsense.
They want us to get the fuck out of their countries and stay out. Until we
do, they will do everything they can to kill as many of us as possible.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Post by FasterPilot
And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.
Amazing how you think you know what terrorists will do. You have absolutely
no understanding of terrorist motivation and behavior.
Post by FasterPilot
When you have figured that out, you can save yourself.
As far as I am concerned, the Republican Party and right-wing nutcases like
you are much greater threats to my life and happiness than the terrorists.
Post by FasterPilot
You will probably never be able to save me,
I would never do anything to save rabid vermin like you.
Post by FasterPilot
I will probably have to save you.
I am quite capable of saving myself.
Post by FasterPilot
You will probably then denegrad the way I save you, too.
You are not going to save me. You are the enemy.
Post by FasterPilot
Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore") that it took guts and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.
Do you remember where we were 40 years ago? We were letting anti-communist
hysteria lead us into a war to suppress an anti-colonial revolution. We all
know how well that worked out.
Post by FasterPilot
Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love
that
Post by FasterPilot
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for. Lets take it and give to the
poor
Post by FasterPilot
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us
free.
Post by FasterPilot
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.
You really love to demonize liberals, don't you? This has no relationship
to history or liberal ideology.
Post by FasterPilot
You sure dont have to be
a genius to figure that out. Now we get attacked, and the "progressives"
feel
Post by FasterPilot
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.
No, we think we should get American troops out of all Muslim countries and
force Israel to conclude a peace settlement with the Palestinians. These
are the two root causes of the Islamic terrorism we faced on 9/11 and
continue to face, thanks to the total incompetence of the Bush Crime Family.
Post by FasterPilot
Hey, you killed 3000 of us, no problem. Its our fault anyway.
It is our fault in the sense that American foreign policy vis a vis
Israel/Palestine and American troops in Muslim countries is the root cause
of Islamic terrorism.
Post by FasterPilot
Its OK. Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant. I did not spell check it. I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.
We already knew that. You could have spared us the rant.
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Necron99
2005-05-13 06:45:41 UTC
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It's obvious that the reason or need to go to war was just and right.
What still gets me is how it ended not how or why it began.
The war started because hitler invaded poland right?
Where was the free poland ( or europe for that matter ) after the war?
Patton was the only one who had it right, should have fought the reds while the
army was there to do it.
It would have saved eastern europe from 50 years of oppression and murder, (
stalin killed more than hitler ).
The way it ended up they may as well have let the germans take it all without a
shot.
 
Post by FasterPilot
I am a conservative fool, a clown.  I don't read the paper much, its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway.  I watch Fox news on TV a little, usually when away from
home.  I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio.  I do not
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see.  Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6 million
jews.  Thats OK, right?  He lied to everyone.  He broke every treaty he had
with everybody except with Japan. His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families.  He blamed all
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".  He was a good guy,
though.  We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed, cowardly,
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing liberals, oh,
excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that, I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about how we
are percieved in the world will solve everything.  Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.  They
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything, hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us, the terrorists, Hitler, the
communists, whoever, will leave us alone.  OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are, so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its our
damn fault anyway.  Right.  Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass
of milk, you know.  Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.  Then
they kill us anyway.  Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to make
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries) do
not want justice, they do not want peace, they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in your
front door, at your request, and kill you.  Period.  The end.  And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.  When you have figured that out,
you can save yourself.  You will probably never be able to save me, I will
probably have to save you.  You will probably then denegrad the way I save you,
too. Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore")  that it took guts and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.  Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love that
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for.  Lets take it and give to the poor
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us free.  
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.  You sure dont have to be
a genius to figure that out.  Now we get attacked, and the "progressives" feel
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.  Hey, you killed 3000 of us,
no problem.  Its our fault anyway.  Its OK.  Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant.  I did not spell check it.  I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.FasterPilot
Please don't tap on the glass.....
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pjsub
2005-05-13 08:59:23 UTC
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In fact Churchill hated the Reds as much as anyone. He desperately wanted the
British and Americans to be the one's to capture Berlin. He knew what would
happened if the Reds got there first. It was also Churchill who first spoke of
the "Iron Curtain" and the need to do somthing about it in his famous speech
shortly after the war.
Post by Necron99
It's obvious that the reason or need to go to war was just and right.
What still gets me is how it ended not how or why it began.
The war started because hitler invaded poland right?
Where was the free poland ( or europe for that matter ) after the war?
Patton was the only one who had it right, should have fought the reds while the
army was there to do it.
It would have saved eastern europe from 50 years of oppression and murder, (
stalin killed more than hitler ).
The way it ended up they may as well have let the germans take it all without a
shot.
 
Post by FasterPilot
I am a conservative fool, a clown.  I don't read the paper much, its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway.  I watch Fox news on TV a little, usually when away from
home.  I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio.  I do not
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see.  Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6
million
jews.  Thats OK, right?  He lied to everyone.  He broke every treaty he had
with everybody except with Japan. His leadership style was to kill everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families.  He blamed all
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem".  He was a good guy,
though.  We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do ....what!?
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed, cowardly,
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing liberals, oh,
excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that, I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about
how
we
are percieved in the world will solve everything.  Lets sit down with them (from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.  They
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything, hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us, the terrorists, Hitler, the
communists, whoever, will leave us alone.  OH, and we should also let them know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are, so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its our
damn fault anyway.  Right.  Once you give them a cookie, they will want a glass
of milk, you know.  Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.  Then
they kill us anyway.  Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to make
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries) do
not want justice, they do not want peace, they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in your
front door, at your request, and kill you.  Period.  The end.  And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead.  When you have figured that out,
you can save yourself.  You will probably never be able to save me, I will
probably have to save you.  You will probably then denegrad the way I save you,
too. Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore")  that it took guts
and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago.  Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love that
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for.  Lets take it and give to the poor
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us free.  
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get.  You sure dont have
to
be
a genius to figure that out.  Now we get attacked, and the "progressives" feel
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk.  Hey, you killed 3000 of us,
no problem.  Its our fault anyway.  Its OK.  Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant.  I did not spell check it.  I dont care.Im just a dumb pilot.FasterPilot
Please don't tap on the glass.....
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patrick
2005-05-13 09:08:03 UTC
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Well it is a question of whether going to war is positive EV or not.

The Iraq thing was -EV always. It is satisfying to go and whack Saddam ,
but as regards EV it is not good.Cost $300billion and you cant steal the
the Iraqi oil anyway or ever expect to get compensated.Also there is a cost
diplomatically.

Western democracies are bad players of the war game.
They fold too easily.They dont have the stomach for it.
One of the worst dangers of this style is that it will allow the spread of
nuclear weapons.to too many countries and eventually to terrorists.

Iran or any other state should never be allowed to develop nuclear weapons
capability.
North Korea is probably too late.They should have been stopped before it got
to this stage.The danger being they will sell the technology on to others
like Pakistan did.

Iran policy should be(if thay want nuclear weapons) to wait till Bush is
gone and then proceed with nuclear weapons development. Hillary probably
wont have the guts to stop them.

The only hope for western democracy is that it spreads fast enough so that
all countries are equally weakened with left wing liberals.
The danger is only in the period before that happens.

patrick
I am a conservative fool, a clown. I don't read the paper much, its too
depressing, and the LA times is so left wing, that the story's outcome is
predictable anyway. I watch Fox news on TV a little, usually when away
from
home. I listen to Led Zeppelin, so I dont have to hear talk radio. I do
not
have a Harvard education, just a Michigan one, so everything I say means
nothing. Lets see. Hitler killed, what, 10 million people, including 6
million
jews. Thats OK, right? He lied to everyone. He broke every treaty he had
with everybody except with Japan. His leadership style was to kill
everyone who
did not agree with him, or who crossed him, and their families. He blamed
all
of Germany's economic problems on the "Jewish Problem". He was a good guy,
though. We should have trusted him to give his word that he would do
....what!?
The self percieved well educated, weak, chicken shit, shakey kneed, cowardly,
(a large number of them being communists or socialists) left wing
liberals, oh,
excuse me, its politically incorrect to call them that, I should say
"progressives" think that negotiation and "intelligent converstion" about how we
are percieved in the world will solve everything. Lets sit down with them
(from
Hitler to the terrorists to the old Soviet Communists) and make a deal.
They
give up nothing, we give up pieces here and there until we have given up
everything, hoping that through our "superior intellectual abilities", and our
desire to have the fucking french love us, the terrorists, Hitler, the
communists, whoever, will leave us alone. OH, and we should also let them
know
that they are right, we caused them to be like they are, so they are justified
in blowing up our citizens where ever, cause, intellectually speaking, its our
damn fault anyway. Right. Once you give them a cookie, they will want a
glass
of milk, you know. Pretty soon, they get the cow, the farm, everything.
Then
they kill us anyway. Maybe the "progressives" need a gun to their head to
make
them realize that the enemy (oops, we dont have enemies, just adversaries) do
not want justice, they do not want peace, they do not want us to recognize their
special brand of horror, they do not want to talk, they want to walk in your
front door, at your request, and kill you. Period. The end. And they will
laugh at your weakness even after you are dead. When you have figured that
out,
you can save yourself. You will probably never be able to save me, I will
probably have to save you. You will probably then denegrad the way I save
you,
too. Progressives forget (maybe I should say "ignore") that it took guts
and
bloodshed to get to where we were 40 years ago. Then the "intelligencia"
decided that the rest of us were just brutes, and we should share the love that
the rich (for the most part) worked hard for. Lets take it and give to the
poor
folk that do not want to work, cause they will vote for us, and make us
free.
The more citizens on the "dole" the more votes we get. You sure dont have
to be
a genius to figure that out. Now we get attacked, and the "progressives"
feel
we should invite the terrorists in, and lets talk. Hey, you killed 3000 of
us,
no problem. Its our fault anyway. Its OK. Here, have a cookie. This is a
rant. I did not spell check it. I dont care.Im just a dumb
pilot.FasterPilot
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